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May 31st 2008 08:48
A Misandrous Gem Loves Misanthropic Misogynists SCUM
Once upon a midday’s nightmare, there existed a self absorbed lady named Gem, who hated and hated and just really fucking hated dominant men with all of her burqa clad heart n sweaty butt. She, Gem was pissed, so she really dissed the deity he (the overbearing lord god of her manor) rode upon and everything he believed in because it pleased her to do so and made her tingle with self empowerment ~ enhanced with over worked battery powered tools.
Gem, was convinced that She alone could restore womankind to their rightful place in life and that she could finally ride the snakes wave topside in the power position unfettered by guilt and hormonal distress. She would punish the creator and the created in one fell swoop for bringing her into an inferior male dominated society and formed a group-SCUM, and from this forum Gem performed marvelous works during the wreckage of her life.
Gem would advocate the elimination of males:
"Life in this society being, at best, an utter bore and no aspect of society being at all relevant to women, there remains to civic-minded, responsible, thrill-seeking females only to overthrow the government, eliminate the money system, institute complete automation and destroy the male sex."
Gem fantasizes that males are inherently inferior to females:
"Retaining the male has not even the dubious purpose of reproduction. The male is a biological accident in her mind: the y(male) chromosome is an incomplete x(female) chromosome, that is, has an incomplete set of chromosomes. In other words, the male is an incomplete female, a walking abortion, aborted at the gene stage. To be male is to be deficient, emotionally limited; maleness is a deficiency disease and males are emotional cripples."
On the role of the individual in society, Gem maintains:
"A true community consists of individuals - not mere species members, not couples - respecting each other's individuality and privacy, at the same time interacting with each other mentally and emotionally - free spirits in free relation to each other and co-operating with each other to achieve common ends. Traditionalists say the basic unit of "society" is the family; "feminists" say the coven; no-one says the individual.
Describing Gems’ vision of a coming revolution:
"SCUM will keep on destroying, looting, fucking-up and killing until the money-work system no longer exists and automation is completely instituted or until enough women co-operate with SCUM to make violence unnecessary to achieve these goals."
"The sick, irrational men, those who attempt to defend themselves against their disgustingness, when they see SCUM barreling down on them, will cling in terror to Big Mama with her Big Bouncy Booties, but Booties won't protect them against SCUM; Big Mama will be clinging to Big Dadeze Dyck, who will be in the corner shitting in his forceful, dynamic pants. Men who are rational, however, won't kick or struggle or raise a distressing fuss, but will just sit back, relax, enjoy the show and ride the waves to their demise."
Gem on sexuality:
"Sex is not part of a relationship: on the contrary, it is a solitary experience, non-creative, a gross waste of time. The female can easily -- far more easily than she may think -- condition away her sex drive, leaving her completely cool and cerebral and free to pursue truly worthy relationships and activities; but the male, who seems to dig women sexually and who seeks out constantly to arouse them, stimulates the highly sexed female to frenzies of lust, throwing her into a sex bag from which few women ever escape. The lecherous male excited the lustful female; he has to -- when the female transcends her body, rises above animalism, the male, whose ego consists of his huge, snake like penis, will disappear."
Gem describing her understanding of medicine and mortality:
"All diseases are curable, and the aging process and death are due to disease; it is possible, therefore, never to age and to live forever. In fact the problems of aging and death could be solved within a few years, if an all-out, massive scientific assault were made upon the problem. This, however, will not occur with the male establishment."
Gem Asserts that all 'un-creative' labor in society could become easily automated, despite the then non-existence of sophisticated computers:
"A completely automated society can be accomplished very simply and quickly once there is a public demand for it. The blueprints for it are already in existence, and its construction will take only a few weeks with millions of people working on it. Even though off the money system, everyone will be most happy to pitch in and get the automated society built; it will mark the beginning of a fantastic new era, and there will be a celebration atmosphere accompanying the construction."
Gems predictions regarding the economic basis of male-power, potential simplicity of scientific education, and the ultimate decline in heterosexuality:
"After the elimination of money there will be no further need to kill men; they will be stripped of the only power they have over psychologically independent females. They will be able to impose themselves only on the doormats, who like to be imposed on. The rest of the women will be busy solving the few remaining unsolved problems before planning their agenda for eternity and Utopia -- completely revamping educational programs so that millions of women can be trained within a few months for high level intellectual work that now requires years of training (this can be done very easily once our educational goal is to educate and not perpetuate an academic and intellectual elite); solving the problems of disease and old age and death and completely redesigning our cities and living quarters. Many women will for a while continue to think they lust for men, but as they become accustomed to female society and as they become absorbed in their projects, they will eventually come to see the utter uselessness and banality of the male; long live the energizer bunny.”
SCUM (Society for Cutting Up Men) It's a link.
Shall I continue with a part II of this all to familiar rant? It's been done before.
Non sexual love and hugs to you all.
Raven
Gem, was convinced that She alone could restore womankind to their rightful place in life and that she could finally ride the snakes wave topside in the power position unfettered by guilt and hormonal distress. She would punish the creator and the created in one fell swoop for bringing her into an inferior male dominated society and formed a group-SCUM, and from this forum Gem performed marvelous works during the wreckage of her life.
Gem would advocate the elimination of males:
"Life in this society being, at best, an utter bore and no aspect of society being at all relevant to women, there remains to civic-minded, responsible, thrill-seeking females only to overthrow the government, eliminate the money system, institute complete automation and destroy the male sex."
"Retaining the male has not even the dubious purpose of reproduction. The male is a biological accident in her mind: the y(male) chromosome is an incomplete x(female) chromosome, that is, has an incomplete set of chromosomes. In other words, the male is an incomplete female, a walking abortion, aborted at the gene stage. To be male is to be deficient, emotionally limited; maleness is a deficiency disease and males are emotional cripples."
On the role of the individual in society, Gem maintains:
"A true community consists of individuals - not mere species members, not couples - respecting each other's individuality and privacy, at the same time interacting with each other mentally and emotionally - free spirits in free relation to each other and co-operating with each other to achieve common ends. Traditionalists say the basic unit of "society" is the family; "feminists" say the coven; no-one says the individual.
Describing Gems’ vision of a coming revolution:
"SCUM will keep on destroying, looting, fucking-up and killing until the money-work system no longer exists and automation is completely instituted or until enough women co-operate with SCUM to make violence unnecessary to achieve these goals."
"The sick, irrational men, those who attempt to defend themselves against their disgustingness, when they see SCUM barreling down on them, will cling in terror to Big Mama with her Big Bouncy Booties, but Booties won't protect them against SCUM; Big Mama will be clinging to Big Dadeze Dyck, who will be in the corner shitting in his forceful, dynamic pants. Men who are rational, however, won't kick or struggle or raise a distressing fuss, but will just sit back, relax, enjoy the show and ride the waves to their demise."
Gem on sexuality:
"Sex is not part of a relationship: on the contrary, it is a solitary experience, non-creative, a gross waste of time. The female can easily -- far more easily than she may think -- condition away her sex drive, leaving her completely cool and cerebral and free to pursue truly worthy relationships and activities; but the male, who seems to dig women sexually and who seeks out constantly to arouse them, stimulates the highly sexed female to frenzies of lust, throwing her into a sex bag from which few women ever escape. The lecherous male excited the lustful female; he has to -- when the female transcends her body, rises above animalism, the male, whose ego consists of his huge, snake like penis, will disappear."
Gem describing her understanding of medicine and mortality:
"All diseases are curable, and the aging process and death are due to disease; it is possible, therefore, never to age and to live forever. In fact the problems of aging and death could be solved within a few years, if an all-out, massive scientific assault were made upon the problem. This, however, will not occur with the male establishment."
Gem Asserts that all 'un-creative' labor in society could become easily automated, despite the then non-existence of sophisticated computers:
"A completely automated society can be accomplished very simply and quickly once there is a public demand for it. The blueprints for it are already in existence, and its construction will take only a few weeks with millions of people working on it. Even though off the money system, everyone will be most happy to pitch in and get the automated society built; it will mark the beginning of a fantastic new era, and there will be a celebration atmosphere accompanying the construction."
"After the elimination of money there will be no further need to kill men; they will be stripped of the only power they have over psychologically independent females. They will be able to impose themselves only on the doormats, who like to be imposed on. The rest of the women will be busy solving the few remaining unsolved problems before planning their agenda for eternity and Utopia -- completely revamping educational programs so that millions of women can be trained within a few months for high level intellectual work that now requires years of training (this can be done very easily once our educational goal is to educate and not perpetuate an academic and intellectual elite); solving the problems of disease and old age and death and completely redesigning our cities and living quarters. Many women will for a while continue to think they lust for men, but as they become accustomed to female society and as they become absorbed in their projects, they will eventually come to see the utter uselessness and banality of the male; long live the energizer bunny.”
Shall I continue with a part II of this all to familiar rant? It's been done before.
Non sexual love and hugs to you all.
Raven
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Comment by technohut
Now, I'm finally understand what "SCUM" standing for...
Comment by Kleonaptra
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My mums got that part down. This post could be about her. She'd be scurrying to join up and become SCUM, no doubt about it.
You should read 'Queen Of The Damned' its quite funny, considering Anne Rice's aversion to the bible, that her works are metaphor laid on metaphor just like it.
Just a little food for thought before I launch - Anne Rice was catholic raised like me and rejected the religion when she met her husband Stan - She didnt understand how a God of love would send her to hell for kissing him just because he wasnt her husband yet. She became a theoligan and studied the truth within the myths.
Thus, all of the Vampire chronicals, though written in elaborate language, mimic the bible's tone. If you want to take it at face value, its a fascinating and beautiful story about some messed up vampires. If you read into it, you can see she's analysing society, religion and God and how we move into the future - some of the concepts in 'Body Theif' are downright mind blowing. Each book has its own insights, its own truths, and its entirely up to the reader if they want to analyse into the deeper truth.
The reason I mention 'Queen of The Damned' is because Akasha would also be the queen of SCUM. Her ultimate plan is to wipe out all males save one in a hundred. Her reasoning is perfect, her logic flawless - but its like most dictatorship demands - it forgets the human element entirely. She's the perfect character, I adore her, and if she showed up tomorrow Id have a hard time resisting her. But that doesnt change the fact that even though she seeks to do good her plan is the utmost evil and completely ignores the sins of those she sees as innocent.
The way the others try to convince her she is wrong, and her arguments....Oh, its a fascinating read, I believe it to be the most stunning book in the series, the issues raised will quite literally open your mind...Even if, like me, you thought it already WAS open!
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Ask your mom if she remembers hanging out with a self centered, egomaniacal yank prior to that mindset ~ we may know each other. She must be over it to some degree, she seems to like k-man; is mum a charter member of SCUM already?
Anne Rice Queen of the Damned sounds like a great read, I’ve encountered it many times, but never read the book; it’s on my august list of to get’s and to do’s.
Anne Rice a seeker of truth, I like her already, there is often great truths hidden in myths and tales. It occurs to me that she’s struck a harmonious chord in another truth seeker; every hero/heroine has to have their flaws ~ that’s what makes them so compelling.
You’re dead on kleo, learning can come from looking beyond the obvious.
Raven
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BTW, love your misogynist series, they're so . . . provocative, fair and balanced.
Raven
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Wow
So there are women out there who hate for the sake of hating.
I never knew that.
I always thought that because they were female that they could never be wrong. Unlike the those horrible males who have basically ruined the Utopian dream for everyone.
Comment by RubySoho
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Calling all women: because of the extremist quoted above you must desist immediately! Don't you know you have nothing to complain about?
The comment immediately above mine is going up on my wall, along with the other gems provided by women-hating icons of the ages...maybe between the words of wisdom of St Paul and St Augustine?
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Once they turn to the dark side, it’s nearly impossible to steer them back to reality: that their sole purpose in life is to provide sexual relief and tend to male dominated families, where they are to be obscene and not heard. However, many have for the most part abdicated their exulted status as harem trollops and virgin mothers to those children sired by the lord of their manner and religious instructor, to become what? Free from their natural role in society to become SCUM subscribers.
We can only offer up mantras of hope, perhaps then they’ll come back to their right minds and stop trying to kill Andy Warhol.
Raven
Comment by Kleonaptra
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And he loves me, and according to her, Im right hand to God (Herself) so he must be worth something to recognise my brilliance.
Any other man, on the face of the planet, who innocently says, "Shall we have a cup of coffee" is a sex mongering bastard whos only after one thing and is a liar and a betrayer. She doesnt have to get to know them - sniffing the Y chromosome from 100 yards will suffice.
I think my own masculine tendencies have come from having it drilled into me daily that men are scum weazels. Ive sought to celebrate the balance of the shift and embraced my masculinity more so than my feminity, for lots of reasons.
But, the most disturbing thing is mum and the SCUM crowd are living in their masculine sides and yet want to blame men for it? Its as if they think if they rip men down to the level of woman then they might actually grow balls?
Gives a whole new level to penis envy.
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Calling all women? You’ve got their numbers? Cool, can I score a copy of the list ~ a couple of friends want to go out tonight and abuse some women and not get laid by them, because women remind them of their mothers who made their preadolescent lives a living hell. The list would save them time locating candidates.
Nothing to complain about, women control all of the ass and more than half of the assets coveted by men in this modern society. Women may not be the CEO of a mega corporation but they often run the man that is CEO and in some cases, the woman.
These comments should go up on your wall, framed and prominently displayed; because then you might actually see them, read them and eventually understand them.
The singular woman hating icon for me is a gem, a Ruby. Nothing that gem has said or done has elevated the status womankind, promoted their strengths or established their equality and value to society in today’s world; nothing, nada, zip, zilch.
Raven
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Thanks kleo.
Raven
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Comment by Kleonaptra
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I believe embracing masculinity makes me a better woman - I can chop a wood plie without breaking a sensibly short yet attractively shaped nail!
And embracing the masculine side allows you to understand why men leave 10 coffee cups under the lounge and how they leave wet towels on the floor. If I take a male view instead of a female one, it makes perfect sense.
But luckily I have a man who does the same and can think in the female mind...
I have, however, lost my ability to wear high heels. Workboots everywhere!
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I grew up in the corporate world.
I can no longer sleep on my back for all the knife handles poking out.
What is one more?
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So, I am blithely knife free . . . and, for the most part, they remained unscathed, mwahahahahaha.
Sigh, male egos, ain't it a bitch?
Raven
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See what you come up with.
Raven a few people have complained about my anti-Bible posts and none more voraciously than you. But so far not one person has managed to give a more adequate explanation concerning the Bible passages I quoted, other than the obvious one I stated- the writers of the Bible were less than enamoured with the female of the species.
Please if you can give me a better explanation, I would love to hear it. But thus far whilst you have berated me for having the nerve to speak my mind and essentially called me a traitor to my sex, you have not been successful in proving me wrong.
Likening me to a mentally unhinged ultra- feminist is not doing the trick I'm afraid. I would have thought that ad hominem attacks were beneath you my friend.
By the way, you need to broaden your understanding of Islam- not all Muslim women wear burqas or hijabs.
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I am so wounded. (Not)
Perhaps you could look up Sophist Bigot.
I know it is new word for you but since we are in a mood for chucking subtle insults I figure you could handle one home truth.
Also if you don't want people to think that you are some kind of absolute raving nutbag it may be wise not to pin religious quotes all over your wall. Some might just think that you have a kind of pathological hatred brewing inside you.
Now stick that in your "suppository of information."
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Even when it is pretends to be intellectual discourse propaganda is still propaganda.
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Damo can barely put a sentence together???
“Oh man, this just gets better and better.
Calling all women: because of the extremist quoted above you must desist immediately! Don't you know you have nothing to complain about?
The comment immediately above mine is going up on my wall, along with the other gems provided by women-hating icons of the ages...maybe between the words of wisdom of St Paul and St Augustine? “
This is a sample of your exemplary writing style? Again ~ hahahaha…oh my, this is rich.
Might I suggest that while Damo is Googling Dith Pram and Dim Pram, that you Google dim wit and Dim Witt, they’re both a waste of time, but go ahead, amuse yourself.
And let’s be clear, I don’t liken you to a mentally unhinged ultra-feminist; in my opinion, you are an emotionally unhinged ultra-feminist man hater. There’s a difference.
You sweet talker, my understanding of Islamic reality says that not all Muslim women wear burqas of hujabs when they feel safe or are out of sight of the Islamic thought police.
This is not the way to engage me in conversation Gem.
Raven
Comment by Damo
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Fortunately for the world there are not two of you trying read hidden meaning into something that is not there.
Crazy is still crazy.
Bigotry is still bigotry even if you use it.
I'm here, I am in your face, live with it.
Comment by RubySoho
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1. Criticising misogyny in the Bible does not make me a man-hater.
2. Criticising religion does not make me a bigot.
3. Speaking my mind does not make me crazy.
Good day to you both.
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Is that what you call it these days.
Well, there you go. Ruby.
What is wrong with what you write?
Could it be the fact that it is basically hate propaganda?
Not in you little world it is not.
But hey with all your skill at reading between lines for meaning that is not there I don't know why the University has not hired you yet. You obviously know better than the scholars.
10 quotes that I have selected out of context and decided to tell everyone what they mean. Self appointed theologian that you are, with your years of education in the subject, how could you possibly be wrong?
Now, if you don't mind I will be busy plucking out my right eye and cutting off my right hand because they caused me to sin.
What? People don't do that? Why not?
Oh, I get it, because they have half a brain and can work out that sometimes words are metaphorical.
That's another word that I expect you to abuse beyond its meaning.
Now, if you want to look at the Bible (or any other book for that matter) the same way the David Koresh did (as a weapon to fling hate propaganda) then go ahead, but don't cry like a baby when you are considered an uneducated fool for doing so.
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There has been some editing going on.
What happened to the "I was only doing Tit For Tat" stuff?
Quickly Deleting your tirades is a clear indication that you did not think them through.
Grow some morals please.
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Oh no you want to get into a debate morals again...didn't you lose the last one?
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Oh, no, Im not making a different point about women who hate women or doing a cross metaphor, I just thought it would be fun.
I've got to say, that I believe the bible IS mysoginistic, yep, but really, its seperate writers have had personal issues with all kinds of things,(not just women) and thought, "hmm, if I slip my own vendetta in here with the word of God, people will follow it and I win!"
I hope to see a day where people can see the bible as a historical source, open to interpretation. Please see my post "what if every word in the bible is true?"
And, I believe women ARE the source of sin. The male is of the light, the point of the star. The female is of the dark womb. Men are the spark of creation, we are the darkness, the destruction.
I guess that catholic shit really stuck huh?
But no matter which way you look at it, that is the truth and all religions preach it - woman dark, men light. Its called the balance of the universe, and its all there is.
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There are some pretty unscrupulous things that go on in the internet but Changing history is probably the worst.
Yet I don't expect you see a problem with it.
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Hey this childish editing stuff is fun.
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~ ~ ~
Ruby, why edit or delete your comments, I didn’t get to read the unabridged version, are you bothered by your choice of words?
Okay, I have just deleted my long winded reply and am replacing it with this:
1. Criticising misogyny in the Bible does not make me a man-hater. Who determines what constitutes misogyny?
2. Criticising religion does not make me a bigot. Why not? You are fervent and nearly militant with your position.
3. Speaking my mind does not make me crazy. Why not? You are definitely out of the ordinary with your passionate diatribes and are intensely enthusiastic and preoccupied with your beliefs.
Good day to you both. And good day to you Ruby.
~ ~ ~
Did you know that yawning in the presence of the opposite sex is a sign of suppressed sexual arousal.
Raven
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Everything else was sumarrised as above. Oh except that I mentioned that Alawite Muslim women are not required to wear a hijab or a burqa- ever. It is not part of the religion. So no burqa clad gem i am afraid.
Your points:
1. Are you serious? So saying things like "the birth of a daughter is a loss" and "no wickedness comes close to the wickedness of a woman" may not be misogynistic. On what planet? Certainly not this one. Come off it Raven, that point is completely off the wall.
2. Yes, I am fervent in my position, but I don't have an ignorant, irrational and unjustified hatred of religion which are usually the markers of bigotry. Religion is just another belief that people choose to adopt. Unlike the Muslim world where religion is forced upon you under fear of death, religion in the West is a choice. It is an ideology which people openly choose to embrace. It is also an ideology which is homophobic, anti-intellectual, superstitious and yes, misogynistic (please note I am referring to Christianity here). It is also an ideology which permeates into the lives of non-believers and severely inhibits the lives of believers. It is the ideology itself I have a problem with. Not necessarily the people who adopt it.
And I am no more fervent in my position on the Bible than I am in my position on US foreign policy or Israel. Yet, this is the position which gets me labeled an emotionally unhinged man-hater. Go figure.
3.So passion and enthusiasm and dedication are a negative trait. Probably only in a woman I am guessing....what is it they say; when a man is assertive, he is ambitious, when a woman is assertive she is a bitch? Or something to that effect.
Great. No, sexism does not abound, not at all.
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Comment by Kleonaptra
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But I have to know.
Why is Ruby a crazy bigot and Im not? I just need to understand, Im not asking to be attacked - though quite ready to defend myself if that should happen - I just really want to know why she's getting all these attacks and no one is touching me.
Unlike me, Ruby thinks out her arguments and backs them up with sources - honestly I cant be fucking bothered. I just say what I want to say and I cant remember how long ago it was I read the bible and Ive never read the whole version. I blame the ENTIRE catholic religion for the acts of one tiny rural church and still consider all catholisim evil incarnate. I say things like Id spit at a priest and everyone laughs. I make wild sweeping statements and no one seems to notice.
I spent far too much time in the school yard being picked on by huge groups of people to just stand by and watch it happen to anyone else. Like I said, I really think Im going to regret asking, but I dont see Ruby and myself as all that different, and, at the end of the day, we dont actually know each other, any of us, and Ive actually gotten into an argument with Damo himself because he was unable to see my *wink, raised eyebrow, wry grin* and perhaps what Ruby is being accused of is not true in her daily life?
So come on boys, hit me.
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In short:
If you have a problem with me "Wink, Wink," stipulate it and then back it up with evidence.
If you feel that anything that I have responded to you was somehow unfair you have every right to deal with it in several manners.
1-respond directly as to why then back it up with evidence.
2-Put a complaint on the My Apologetics complaint Post - I welcome complaints. Then back it up with evidence.
3-Write your own post where you can stipulate your concerns about my answer then back it up with evidence.
If you wish to play good cop to Ruby's bad cop routine then I think your loyalties are well and truly misplaced.
Oh and I don't hit women, that is one of my non-negotiable set of principles.
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I will start with your little claims.
Time to back things up with evidence:
"The comment immediately above mine is going up on my wall, along with the other gems provided by women-hating icons of the ages...maybe between the words of wisdom of St Paul and St Augustine?"
Who is holding the up as women-hating icons?
Give me their names.
Why do you spread the lie that I hate women?
"Fortunately for me I do not take advice from the writers of poorly disguised theological blogs."
What proof do have to back up any claim that I am writing "poorly disguised theological blogs?"
Back it up with evidence
"Even when it is pretends to be intellectual discourse propaganda is still propaganda."
Why are your blogs not propaganda?
What is wrong with propaganda?
Do you even know what propaganda is?
How are my my blogs propaganda?
Why is your alleged propaganda better than mine?
"Oh no you want to get into a debate morals again...didn't you lose the last one?"
What is wrong with having morals?
How do you know that I did lose the last debate?
Now when you can answer those questions with objective evidence come back.
See how this works Ruby. It is all about evidence. Objective Evidence that can be verified.
It is a professional skill to know about its importance.
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Thanks Kleo, I too am wondering why I am the target when I have not done or said anything that many before me have done. I see that you have not gotten answer apart from "comment on my post", what a cop-out.
Damo,
I have yet to write a single post that I have not backed up with evidence.
If you are unaware that St Paul and St Augustine are regarded by many as woman- haters then you need to read more.
I am spreading a lie about your alleged woman hating? No, I am merely deducing as such from your comments such as this" "feed your prejudices that there is a deep, dark, conspiracy against the sisterhood" and "So there are women out there who hate for the sake of hating. I never knew that. I always thought that because they were female that they could never be wrong. Unlike the those horrible males who have basically ruined the Utopian dream for everyone."
If the underlying tone in those statements is not hatred and ridicule then please tell me what is. It is patently clear to me that you mean to dismiss the concerns that women such as myself have as been all in our head.
Yes, I think think your blogs are thinly disguised religious propaganda, what with your anti-genetic engineering pictures of mice with ears, your railing against Karl Marx and Neitzsche, your pictures of fetuses, your defence of the Bible that never actually delves into the Bible- simply tells us we must respect it for no other reason than it is the Bible- and your claims that anyone who has a negative view of religion is suddenly a liar and the writer of hate literature. All propaganda because your posts are designed to lead the reader into thinking certain things without actually being open to another point of view- as testified by the fact that you get angry with anyone who leaves an opposing viewpoint in your comments. So I see through your little charade, so what? You can accuse me of having an 'agenda' but I have been nothing but honest and upfront since the day I arrived here. And you have hated me for it.
There is nothing wrong with having morals, when did I say there was? But I would say you lost the last debate because you stopped putting forward an argument and resorted to calling your opponents names and telling them that they bored you. You think I don't know a cop-out when I see one?
Comment by Damo
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What happened to comment that comment went :
"SHE IS A FRAUD
FRAUD
FRAUD
FRAUD"
It has been replaced with this comment.
"Yes, Damo, I will be getting onto that right after I meet with Al Gore to solve the Global Warming Crisis. But I may have to fly via Washington so I can meet with Barack Obama about being his possible running mate.
Oh, and I thought I'd swing by Jerusalem and solve the Arab-Israeli conflict whilst I was at it. "
My goodness you must be busy running all over Orble covering your ass.
God I love Orble.
Will be back latter to see how she explains this away.
Comment by RubySoho
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What you think you are onto something?
Comment by Kleonaptra
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In case you forget, Damo, there is only one instance in the past where we argued.
I do not wish to argue with you. We share many mutual interests and views and I dont know why you have to take such offense when I meant none.
The post where we argued was 'Dark Sided Crazy Lady' the reason we argued is exactly the same reason we are arguing now - you spent so much time reading between the lines you didnt bother to read what I actually wrote.
You accusted me of being anti religion - part of me is, part of me isnt. The point I was making then that you refused to get was that that woman, by HER OWN definition, is no longer a christian. She was breaking commandments left right and centre. It was a joke of a post, I jumped in on the joke, you decided to crucify me for no reason.
Now the question I asked was 'why Ruby and not me?' I see you have not bothered to answer and just attacked so at the very least Ruby and I end up in the same boat.
I am not doing a good cop routine - I just want to know why you're picking on her and not me. At least you're spreading it around now.
Do you at least acknowledge the fact that none of us know each other? That what we blog about can have little to no bearing on our daily lives?
The reason I just gave up on the argument before is because, quite simply, you're not worth it Damo. No matter what arguments are served up against you you say the same thing over and over in different words and refused to be swayed on your point.(Hey, did you write for Howard?) You accuse others of being closed minded but in the arguments Ive witnessed its always you who refuses to walk in anothers shoes. You attack first and even though you claim to love debate what you really seem to enjoy is riling your enemy until they scream at you so you can feel superior.
No wonder David loves you.
My GOD what a sexist statement that is! You just had to say it like that didnt you - it makes you sound so honourable when in actual fact it just says that you believe men are that much stronger they better not intimidate the iddy bitty women.
I'd kick your arse.
Now, I know your going to take all this the wrong way, and come out with something scathing in return, something that more than likely doesnt even answer me, but believe me when I say, there was no need for an argument in the first place.
That being said, I do adore hot heads, and this is a magnificent joust. This is what I started writing for.
Comment by Damo
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You just blew all your credibility.
If you have any doubts then I suggest that you go visit a professional journalist and ask them.
If you are going to alter history to match your own agenda Ruby then who are you to call anyone a fraud?
Don't bother answering.
You are not worth it.
I could say a thousand things to you Ruby but in the end you are just not worth it.
Comment by Damo
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That was a lot words to say that you don't have any clear evidence.
Comment by RubySoho
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I changed that that comment as soon as I first wrote it and well before anyone replied to it and you didn't seem to have problem with it then so bring it up now?
Oh that's right, you are attacking me personally because you have nothing of any substance with which to reply to my actual arguments.
Nice way to back out of having to explain how your blog is not religious propaganda.
So good I am not worth it, does that mean you are going to stop writing revenge posts directed at me?
And I see he has moved onto you Kleo...good luck with that. It's okay you are not the first person to be admonished by the Great Damo for maybe, sort of agreeing with me.
Comment by Kleonaptra
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LOL! Love that!
*Yawn* yep Raven I did read what that means....
I dont bother with evidence because I expect people to be able to join the dots....And to provide evidence I would have to be trying to prove something, which Im not.
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Comment by tlcorbin
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Damo, Ruby and Kleo:
Where do things stand? Let me interject this: there has been 58 readers and nearly the same amount of comments by a group of four since this post was uploaded-so, what we have going on is a heated argument that isn't appealing to others. Lets move on.
~ ~ ~
Ruby, your posts about the bible, christianity, religion and spirituality have been deliberately provocative; I don't believe you've been forth right about your reasons for the continuous haranguing, but then I haven't read the full volume of text you have published on the topic either.
Frankly, they're to repetitious and therefore annoying for me to take seriously. That isn't meant to disparage your point of view, it is indicative of my short attention span.
If you would have read my post and researched it, instead of reacting to it, you'd have realized it was a spoof; I was mocking the rancorous nature of your recent posts and deliberately parodying them to stir you up. It's unpleasant having to suffer through someone else's angst or twisted humor isn't it?
It isn't difficult to debate a topic you don't have to defend; but, if it weren't important, why attempt to change history and modify comments?
~ ~ ~
Bill, unless you are current with the entire history of these exchanges, perhaps you should temper your judgment about who is attacking whom on a personal level until you have more information, some of which has been modified after the fact; is that a standard practice for journalists?
BTW, I am having difficulty finding more that a single reference to Bill Green, for either RMIT's screen writing site or for that matter, your 16 published books. I am not a journalist or published author, and don't care to be, yet it's easy to search for me and find a long list of my activities; odd that.
Raven
Comment by RubySoho
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Secondly it is not "rewriting history" if you modify your comments within minutes. And if you would like to know why I have on a couple of occassions changed my comments immediately after posting them then look no further than this statement made by Kleo and directed at Damo:
You accuse others of being closed minded but in the arguments Ive witnessed its always you who refuses to walk in anothers shoes. You attack first and even though you claim to love debate what you really seem to enjoy is riling your enemy until they scream at you so you can feel superior.
Yes sometimes I respond emotionally, realise I have not written anything of value immediately and regret it.
But I like how you now want to move on even though it is Damo's back which is up against the wall. What a good friend you are. Writing this mean-spirited post about me knowing he would lap it up and then shutting down the discussion when it is he who has to start explaining himself.
By the way, I am never going to stop criticising religion and the Bible. So I suggest you all get used to it or learn to ignore me. Either is fine with me.
Comment by tlcorbin
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Go back to your roots,
Return to your cave,
I am not interested
in what Muhammad,
Jesus, Nietzsche or Ruby
would do.
Under this Cloudy sky,
I am responsible,
for my sovereign stand;
Yours is after all,
only a kaffir's
scam.
Well, then we shall continue to explore the depths of my misanthropic views and the length and breadth of your onanistic hypocrisy.
Raven
Comment by Damo
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(Special Pleading) As a Professional Journalist by all means put your credentials on line here and now.
As a Professional Journalist you would know that special pleading is crap.
What publication are you working for and provide a link to samples of your work.
As a professional Journalist you would be well aware that if you wish to use that title you must prove it.
Otherwise well we might have our doubts.
Or you may just be a Muppet.
Comment by Damo
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Finally the Statement:
Damo denies all charges that his My Apologetics is in any way a religious propaganda site.
My Apologetics does not have a Political or Religious agenda.
My Apologetics is merely a repository for essays on subjects that interest Damo. They are never and will never be claimed to be the last word on any subject.
My Apologetics comes with a caveate "It is just a point of View and you do not have to accept it."
Damo finds that any accusation that it has a religious propaganda agenda as laughable.
Yet Damo is used to false accusations: Terrorist, Anti-American, Liberal, Lib-Dem, Terrorist Sympathizer, Pro Muslim just to name a few.
My Apologetics has proven all such accusations made against in the past as totally false and without any foundation.
Damo will go further and say that any such accusation without credible objective evidence is a direct attempt to falsely impugn his character and blacken the water thus ad hominen in nature. (old tactics do not work on old foxes who has seen them before.)
In short if you make an accusation substantiate it.
Otherwise as the subject of the accusation I have every right to call you a bold face liar.
Damo also concludes that despite what some people may think, there is a huge difference between dotting "i's" crossing "t's" and the completely replacing comments so that the following response is devoid of reference and context. Such practices only have their place where people are deliberatly trying to decieve others.
Damo will now go off to library and tear out vital pages from history books as a gesture of approval for such deceptions. Knowing of course that had he done the same others would immediately pounce, and rightly so.
Comment by RubySoho
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I have only modified my comments BEFORE anyone has responded to them. Literally within minutes of posting them. So that accusation holds nt water. If you will look above you will see that I stated I deleted my comment before your response. When you made it clear you had seen my initial response then I restated everything in order to give your comment context.
So sorry try again.
Also stating my opinion does not make me a liar-bold faced or otherwise.
It is merely my point of view that your website is religious propaganda. Anyone is free to agree or disagree.
And it is an opinion that I continue to adhere to.
Comment by Damo
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“I'm not upset that you lied to me, I'm upset that from now on I can't believe you"
I crack myself up.
My apologetics will now to go and argue with a horse in the street.
Comment by RubySoho
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Comment by Damo
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Comment by RubySoho
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But if you are going to call me a liar please back it up. You do kinda need evidence for that you know.
How's the conversation with the horse going?
Converted it yet?
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