Remember SCUM?
May 31st 2008 08:48
A Misandrous Gem Loves Misanthropic Misogynists SCUM
Once upon a midday’s nightmare, there existed a self absorbed lady named Gem, who hated and hated and just really fucking hated dominant men with all of her burqa clad heart n sweaty butt. She, Gem was pissed, so she really dissed the deity he (the overbearing lord god of her manor) rode upon and everything he believed in because it pleased her to do so and made her tingle with self empowerment ~ enhanced with over worked battery powered tools.
Gem, was convinced that She alone could restore womankind to their rightful place in life and that she could finally ride the snakes wave topside in the power position unfettered by guilt and hormonal distress. She would punish the creator and the created in one fell swoop for bringing her into an inferior male dominated society and formed a group-SCUM, and from this forum Gem performed marvelous works during the wreckage of her life.
Gem would advocate the elimination of males:
"Life in this society being, at best, an utter bore and no aspect of society being at all relevant to women, there remains to civic-minded, responsible, thrill-seeking females only to overthrow the government, eliminate the money system, institute complete automation and destroy the male sex."
Gem fantasizes that males are inherently inferior to females:
"Retaining the male has not even the dubious purpose of reproduction. The male is a biological accident in her mind: the y(male) chromosome is an incomplete x(female) chromosome, that is, has an incomplete set of chromosomes. In other words, the male is an incomplete female, a walking abortion, aborted at the gene stage. To be male is to be deficient, emotionally limited; maleness is a deficiency disease and males are emotional cripples."
On the role of the individual in society, Gem maintains:
"A true community consists of individuals - not mere species members, not couples - respecting each other's individuality and privacy, at the same time interacting with each other mentally and emotionally - free spirits in free relation to each other and co-operating with each other to achieve common ends. Traditionalists say the basic unit of "society" is the family; "feminists" say the coven; no-one says the individual.
Describing Gems’ vision of a coming revolution:
"SCUM will keep on destroying, looting, fucking-up and killing until the money-work system no longer exists and automation is completely instituted or until enough women co-operate with SCUM to make violence unnecessary to achieve these goals."
"The sick, irrational men, those who attempt to defend themselves against their disgustingness, when they see SCUM barreling down on them, will cling in terror to Big Mama with her Big Bouncy Booties, but Booties won't protect them against SCUM; Big Mama will be clinging to Big Dadeze Dyck, who will be in the corner shitting in his forceful, dynamic pants. Men who are rational, however, won't kick or struggle or raise a distressing fuss, but will just sit back, relax, enjoy the show and ride the waves to their demise."
Gem on sexuality:
"Sex is not part of a relationship: on the contrary, it is a solitary experience, non-creative, a gross waste of time. The female can easily -- far more easily than she may think -- condition away her sex drive, leaving her completely cool and cerebral and free to pursue truly worthy relationships and activities; but the male, who seems to dig women sexually and who seeks out constantly to arouse them, stimulates the highly sexed female to frenzies of lust, throwing her into a sex bag from which few women ever escape. The lecherous male excited the lustful female; he has to -- when the female transcends her body, rises above animalism, the male, whose ego consists of his huge, snake like penis, will disappear."
Gem describing her understanding of medicine and mortality:
"All diseases are curable, and the aging process and death are due to disease; it is possible, therefore, never to age and to live forever. In fact the problems of aging and death could be solved within a few years, if an all-out, massive scientific assault were made upon the problem. This, however, will not occur with the male establishment."
Gem Asserts that all 'un-creative' labor in society could become easily automated, despite the then non-existence of sophisticated computers:
"A completely automated society can be accomplished very simply and quickly once there is a public demand for it. The blueprints for it are already in existence, and its construction will take only a few weeks with millions of people working on it. Even though off the money system, everyone will be most happy to pitch in and get the automated society built; it will mark the beginning of a fantastic new era, and there will be a celebration atmosphere accompanying the construction."
Gems predictions regarding the economic basis of male-power, potential simplicity of scientific education, and the ultimate decline in heterosexuality:
"After the elimination of money there will be no further need to kill men; they will be stripped of the only power they have over psychologically independent females. They will be able to impose themselves only on the doormats, who like to be imposed on. The rest of the women will be busy solving the few remaining unsolved problems before planning their agenda for eternity and Utopia -- completely revamping educational programs so that millions of women can be trained within a few months for high level intellectual work that now requires years of training (this can be done very easily once our educational goal is to educate and not perpetuate an academic and intellectual elite); solving the problems of disease and old age and death and completely redesigning our cities and living quarters. Many women will for a while continue to think they lust for men, but as they become accustomed to female society and as they become absorbed in their projects, they will eventually come to see the utter uselessness and banality of the male; long live the energizer bunny.”
SCUM (Society for Cutting Up Men) It's a link.
Shall I continue with a part II of this all to familiar rant? It's been done before.
Non sexual love and hugs to you all.
Raven
Gem, was convinced that She alone could restore womankind to their rightful place in life and that she could finally ride the snakes wave topside in the power position unfettered by guilt and hormonal distress. She would punish the creator and the created in one fell swoop for bringing her into an inferior male dominated society and formed a group-SCUM, and from this forum Gem performed marvelous works during the wreckage of her life.
Gem would advocate the elimination of males:
"Life in this society being, at best, an utter bore and no aspect of society being at all relevant to women, there remains to civic-minded, responsible, thrill-seeking females only to overthrow the government, eliminate the money system, institute complete automation and destroy the male sex."
"Retaining the male has not even the dubious purpose of reproduction. The male is a biological accident in her mind: the y(male) chromosome is an incomplete x(female) chromosome, that is, has an incomplete set of chromosomes. In other words, the male is an incomplete female, a walking abortion, aborted at the gene stage. To be male is to be deficient, emotionally limited; maleness is a deficiency disease and males are emotional cripples."
On the role of the individual in society, Gem maintains:
"A true community consists of individuals - not mere species members, not couples - respecting each other's individuality and privacy, at the same time interacting with each other mentally and emotionally - free spirits in free relation to each other and co-operating with each other to achieve common ends. Traditionalists say the basic unit of "society" is the family; "feminists" say the coven; no-one says the individual.
Describing Gems’ vision of a coming revolution:
"SCUM will keep on destroying, looting, fucking-up and killing until the money-work system no longer exists and automation is completely instituted or until enough women co-operate with SCUM to make violence unnecessary to achieve these goals."
"The sick, irrational men, those who attempt to defend themselves against their disgustingness, when they see SCUM barreling down on them, will cling in terror to Big Mama with her Big Bouncy Booties, but Booties won't protect them against SCUM; Big Mama will be clinging to Big Dadeze Dyck, who will be in the corner shitting in his forceful, dynamic pants. Men who are rational, however, won't kick or struggle or raise a distressing fuss, but will just sit back, relax, enjoy the show and ride the waves to their demise."
Gem on sexuality:
"Sex is not part of a relationship: on the contrary, it is a solitary experience, non-creative, a gross waste of time. The female can easily -- far more easily than she may think -- condition away her sex drive, leaving her completely cool and cerebral and free to pursue truly worthy relationships and activities; but the male, who seems to dig women sexually and who seeks out constantly to arouse them, stimulates the highly sexed female to frenzies of lust, throwing her into a sex bag from which few women ever escape. The lecherous male excited the lustful female; he has to -- when the female transcends her body, rises above animalism, the male, whose ego consists of his huge, snake like penis, will disappear."
Gem describing her understanding of medicine and mortality:
"All diseases are curable, and the aging process and death are due to disease; it is possible, therefore, never to age and to live forever. In fact the problems of aging and death could be solved within a few years, if an all-out, massive scientific assault were made upon the problem. This, however, will not occur with the male establishment."
Gem Asserts that all 'un-creative' labor in society could become easily automated, despite the then non-existence of sophisticated computers:
"A completely automated society can be accomplished very simply and quickly once there is a public demand for it. The blueprints for it are already in existence, and its construction will take only a few weeks with millions of people working on it. Even though off the money system, everyone will be most happy to pitch in and get the automated society built; it will mark the beginning of a fantastic new era, and there will be a celebration atmosphere accompanying the construction."
"After the elimination of money there will be no further need to kill men; they will be stripped of the only power they have over psychologically independent females. They will be able to impose themselves only on the doormats, who like to be imposed on. The rest of the women will be busy solving the few remaining unsolved problems before planning their agenda for eternity and Utopia -- completely revamping educational programs so that millions of women can be trained within a few months for high level intellectual work that now requires years of training (this can be done very easily once our educational goal is to educate and not perpetuate an academic and intellectual elite); solving the problems of disease and old age and death and completely redesigning our cities and living quarters. Many women will for a while continue to think they lust for men, but as they become accustomed to female society and as they become absorbed in their projects, they will eventually come to see the utter uselessness and banality of the male; long live the energizer bunny.”
Shall I continue with a part II of this all to familiar rant? It's been done before.
Non sexual love and hugs to you all.
Raven
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Comment by technohut
Now, I'm finally understand what "SCUM" standing for...
Comment by Kleonaptra
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My mums got that part down. This post could be about her. She'd be scurrying to join up and become SCUM, no doubt about it.
You should read 'Queen Of The Damned' its quite funny, considering Anne Rice's aversion to the bible, that her works are metaphor laid on metaphor just like it.
Just a little food for thought before I launch - Anne Rice was catholic raised like me and rejected the religion when she met her husband Stan - She didnt understand how a God of love would send her to hell for kissing him just because he wasnt her husband yet. She became a theoligan and studied the truth within the myths.
Thus, all of the Vampire chronicals, though written in elaborate language, mimic the bible's tone. If you want to take it at face value, its a fascinating and beautiful story about some messed up vampires. If you read into it, you can see she's analysing society, religion and God and how we move into the future - some of the concepts in 'Body Theif' are downright mind blowing. Each book has its own insights, its own truths, and its entirely up to the reader if they want to analyse into the deeper truth.
The reason I mention 'Queen of The Damned' is because Akasha would also be the queen of SCUM. Her ultimate plan is to wipe out all males save one in a hundred. Her reasoning is perfect, her logic flawless - but its like most dictatorship demands - it forgets the human element entirely. She's the perfect character, I adore her, and if she showed up tomorrow Id have a hard time resisting her. But that doesnt change the fact that even though she seeks to do good her plan is the utmost evil and completely ignores the sins of those she sees as innocent.
The way the others try to convince her she is wrong, and her arguments....Oh, its a fascinating read, I believe it to be the most stunning book in the series, the issues raised will quite literally open your mind...Even if, like me, you thought it already WAS open!
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Raven
Comment by tlcorbin
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Ask your mom if she remembers hanging out with a self centered, egomaniacal yank prior to that mindset ~ we may know each other. She must be over it to some degree, she seems to like k-man; is mum a charter member of SCUM already?
Anne Rice Queen of the Damned sounds like a great read, I’ve encountered it many times, but never read the book; it’s on my august list of to get’s and to do’s.
Anne Rice a seeker of truth, I like her already, there is often great truths hidden in myths and tales. It occurs to me that she’s struck a harmonious chord in another truth seeker; every hero/heroine has to have their flaws ~ that’s what makes them so compelling.
You’re dead on kleo, learning can come from looking beyond the obvious.
Raven
Comment by tlcorbin
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BTW, love your misogynist series, they're so . . . provocative, fair and balanced.
Raven
Comment by Damo
Wow
So there are women out there who hate for the sake of hating.
I never knew that.
I always thought that because they were female that they could never be wrong. Unlike the those horrible males who have basically ruined the Utopian dream for everyone.
Comment by RubySoho
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Calling all women: because of the extremist quoted above you must desist immediately! Don't you know you have nothing to complain about?
The comment immediately above mine is going up on my wall, along with the other gems provided by women-hating icons of the ages...maybe between the words of wisdom of St Paul and St Augustine?
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Once they turn to the dark side, it’s nearly impossible to steer them back to reality: that their sole purpose in life is to provide sexual relief and tend to male dominated families, where they are to be obscene and not heard. However, many have for the most part abdicated their exulted status as harem trollops and virgin mothers to those children sired by the lord of their manner and religious instructor, to become what? Free from their natural role in society to become SCUM subscribers.
We can only offer up mantras of hope, perhaps then they’ll come back to their right minds and stop trying to kill Andy Warhol.
Raven
Comment by Kleonaptra
Kalikapsychosis
And he loves me, and according to her, Im right hand to God (Herself) so he must be worth something to recognise my brilliance.
Any other man, on the face of the planet, who innocently says, "Shall we have a cup of coffee" is a sex mongering bastard whos only after one thing and is a liar and a betrayer. She doesnt have to get to know them - sniffing the Y chromosome from 100 yards will suffice.
I think my own masculine tendencies have come from having it drilled into me daily that men are scum weazels. Ive sought to celebrate the balance of the shift and embraced my masculinity more so than my feminity, for lots of reasons.
But, the most disturbing thing is mum and the SCUM crowd are living in their masculine sides and yet want to blame men for it? Its as if they think if they rip men down to the level of woman then they might actually grow balls?
Gives a whole new level to penis envy.
Comment by tlcorbin
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Calling all women? You’ve got their numbers? Cool, can I score a copy of the list ~ a couple of friends want to go out tonight and abuse some women and not get laid by them, because women remind them of their mothers who made their preadolescent lives a living hell. The list would save them time locating candidates.
Nothing to complain about, women control all of the ass and more than half of the assets coveted by men in this modern society. Women may not be the CEO of a mega corporation but they often run the man that is CEO and in some cases, the woman.
These comments should go up on your wall, framed and prominently displayed; because then you might actually see them, read them and eventually understand them.
The singular woman hating icon for me is a gem, a Ruby. Nothing that gem has said or done has elevated the status womankind, promoted their strengths or established their equality and value to society in today’s world; nothing, nada, zip, zilch.
Raven
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Comment by Damo
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Thanks kleo.
Raven
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Comment by Kleonaptra
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I believe embracing masculinity makes me a better woman - I can chop a wood plie without breaking a sensibly short yet attractively shaped nail!
And embracing the masculine side allows you to understand why men leave 10 coffee cups under the lounge and how they leave wet towels on the floor. If I take a male view instead of a female one, it makes perfect sense.
But luckily I have a man who does the same and can think in the female mind...
I have, however, lost my ability to wear high heels. Workboots everywhere!
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Raven
Comment by Damo
I grew up in the corporate world.
I can no longer sleep on my back for all the knife handles poking out.
What is one more?
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So, I am blithely knife free . . . and, for the most part, they remained unscathed, mwahahahahaha.
Sigh, male egos, ain't it a bitch?
Raven
Comment by RubySoho
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See what you come up with.
Raven a few people have complained about my anti-Bible posts and none more voraciously than you. But so far not one person has managed to give a more adequate explanation concerning the Bible passages I quoted, other than the obvious one I stated- the writers of the Bible were less than enamoured with the female of the species.
Please if you can give me a better explanation, I would love to hear it. But thus far whilst you have berated me for having the nerve to speak my mind and essentially called me a traitor to my sex, you have not been successful in proving me wrong.
Likening me to a mentally unhinged ultra- feminist is not doing the trick I'm afraid. I would have thought that ad hominem attacks were beneath you my friend.
By the way, you need to broaden your understanding of Islam- not all Muslim women wear burqas or hijabs.
Comment by Damo
I am so wounded. (Not)
Perhaps you could look up Sophist Bigot.
I know it is new word for you but since we are in a mood for chucking subtle insults I figure you could handle one home truth.
Also if you don't want people to think that you are some kind of absolute raving nutbag it may be wise not to pin religious quotes all over your wall. Some might just think that you have a kind of pathological hatred brewing inside you.
Now stick that in your "suppository of information."
Comment by RubySoho
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Even when it is pretends to be intellectual discourse propaganda is still propaganda.
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Damo can barely put a sentence together???
“Oh man, this just gets better and better.
Calling all women: because of the extremist quoted above you must desist immediately! Don't you know you have nothing to complain about?
The comment immediately above mine is going up on my wall, along with the other gems provided by women-hating icons of the ages...maybe between the words of wisdom of St Paul and St Augustine? “
This is a sample of your exemplary writing style? Again ~ hahahaha…oh my, this is rich.
Might I suggest that while Damo is Googling Dith Pram and Dim Pram, that you Google dim wit and Dim Witt, they’re both a waste of time, but go ahead, amuse yourself.
And let’s be clear, I don’t liken you to a mentally unhinged ultra-feminist; in my opinion, you are an emotionally unhinged ultra-feminist man hater. There’s a difference.
You sweet talker, my understanding of Islamic reality says that not all Muslim women wear burqas of hujabs when they feel safe or are out of sight of the Islamic thought police.
This is not the way to engage me in conversation Gem.
Raven
Comment by Damo
Fortunately for the world there are not two of you trying read hidden meaning into something that is not there.
Crazy is still crazy.
Bigotry is still bigotry even if you use it.
I'm here, I am in your face, live with it.
Comment by RubySoho
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1. Criticising misogyny in the Bible does not make me a man-hater.
2. Criticising religion does not make me a bigot.
3. Speaking my mind does not make me crazy.
Good day to you both.
Comment by Damo
Is that what you call it these days.
Well, there you go. Ruby.
What is wrong with what you write?
Could it be the fact that it is basically hate propaganda?
Not in you little world it is not.
But hey with all your skill at reading between lines for meaning that is not there I don't know why the University has not hired you yet. You obviously know better than the scholars.
10 quotes that I have selected out of context and decided to tell everyone what they mean. Self appointed theologian that you are, with your years of education in the subject, how could you possibly be wrong?
Now, if you don't mind I will be busy plucking out my right eye and cutting off my right hand because they caused me to sin.
What? People don't do that? Why not?
Oh, I get it, because they have half a brain and can work out that sometimes words are metaphorical.
That's another word that I expect you to abuse beyond its meaning.
Now, if you want to look at the Bible (or any other book for that matter) the same way the David Koresh did (as a weapon to fling hate propaganda) then go ahead, but don't cry like a baby when you are considered an uneducated fool for doing so.
Comment by Damo
There has been some editing going on.
What happened to the "I was only doing Tit For Tat" stuff?
Quickly Deleting your tirades is a clear indication that you did not think them through.
Grow some morals please.
Comment by RubySoho
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Oh no you want to get into a debate morals again...didn't you lose the last one?
Comment by Kleonaptra
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Oh, no, Im not making a different point about women who hate women or doing a cross metaphor, I just thought it would be fun.
I've got to say, that I believe the bible IS mysoginistic, yep, but really, its seperate writers have had personal issues with all kinds of things,(not just women) and thought, "hmm, if I slip my own vendetta in here with the word of God, people will follow it and I win!"
I hope to see a day where people can see the bible as a historical source, open to interpretation. Please see my post "what if every word in the bible is true?"
And, I believe women ARE the source of sin. The male is of the light, the point of the star. The female is of the dark womb. Men are the spark of creation, we are the darkness, the destruction.
I guess that catholic shit really stuck huh?
But no matter which way you look at it, that is the truth and all religions preach it - woman dark, men light. Its called the balance of the universe, and its all there is.
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There are some pretty unscrupulous things that go on in the internet but Changing history is probably the worst.
Yet I don't expect you see a problem with it.
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Hey this childish editing stuff is fun.
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Ruby, why edit or delete your comments, I didn’t get to read the unabridged version, are you bothered by your choice of words?
Okay, I have just deleted my long winded reply and am replacing it with this:
1. Criticising misogyny in the Bible does not make me a man-hater. Who determines what constitutes misogyny?
2. Criticising religion does not make me a bigot. Why not? You are fervent and nearly militant with your position.
3. Speaking my mind does not make me crazy. Why not? You are definitely out of the ordinary with your passionate diatribes and are intensely enthusiastic and preoccupied with your beliefs.
Good day to you both. And good day to you Ruby.
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Did you know that yawning in the presence of the opposite sex is a sign of suppressed sexual arousal.
Raven
Comment by RubySoho
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Everything else was sumarrised as above. Oh except that I mentioned that Alawite Muslim women are not required to wear a hijab or a burqa- ever. It is not part of the religion. So no burqa clad gem i am afraid.
Your points:
1. Are you serious? So saying things like "the birth of a daughter is a loss" and "no wickedness comes close to the wickedness of a woman" may not be misogynistic. On what planet? Certainly not this one. Come off it Raven, that point is completely off the wall.
2. Yes, I am fervent in my position, but I don't have an ignorant, irrational and unjustified hatred of religion which are usually the markers of bigotry. Religion is just another belief that people choose to adopt. Unlike the Muslim world where religion is forced upon you under fear of death, religion in the West is a choice. It is an ideology which people openly choose to embrace. It is also an ideology which is homophobic, anti-intellectual, superstitious and yes, misogynistic (please note I am referring to Christianity here). It is also an ideology which permeates into the lives of non-believers and severely inhibits the lives of believers. It is the ideology itself I have a problem with. Not necessarily the people who adopt it.
And I am no more fervent in my position on the Bible than I am in my position on US foreign policy or Israel. Yet, this is the position which gets me labeled an emotionally unhinged man-hater. Go figure.
3.So passion and enthusiasm and dedication are a negative trait. Probably only in a woman I am guessing....what is it they say; when a man is assertive, he is ambitious, when a woman is assertive she is a bitch? Or something to that effect.
Great. No, sexism does not abound, not at all.
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Comment by Kleonaptra
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But I have to know.
Why is Ruby a crazy bigot and Im not? I just need to understand, Im not asking to be attacked - though quite ready to defend myself if that should happen - I just really want to know why she's getting all these attacks and no one is touching me.
Unlike me, Ruby thinks out her arguments and backs them up with sources - honestly I cant be fucking bothered. I just say what I want to say and I cant remember how long ago it was I read the bible and Ive never read the whole version. I blame the ENTIRE catholic religion for the acts of one tiny rural church and still consider all catholisim evil incarnate. I say things like Id spit at a priest and everyone laughs. I make wild sweeping statements and no one seems to notice.
I spent far too much time in the school yard being picked on by huge groups of people to just stand by and watch it happen to anyone else. Like I said, I really think Im going to regret asking, but I dont see Ruby and myself as all that different, and, at the end of the day, we dont actually know each other, any of us, and Ive actually gotten into an argument with Damo himself because he was unable to see my *wink, raised eyebrow, wry grin* and perhaps what Ruby is being accused of is not true in her daily life?
So come on boys, hit me.
Comment by Damo
In short:
If you have a problem with me "Wink, Wink," stipulate it and then back it up with evidence.
If you feel that anything that I have responded to you was somehow unfair you have every right to deal with it in several manners.
1-respond directly as to why then back it up with evidence.
2-Put a complaint on the My Apologetics complaint Post - I welcome complaints. Then back it up with evidence.
3-Write your own post where you can stipulate your concerns about my answer then back it up with evidence.
If you wish to play good cop to Ruby's bad cop routine then I think your loyalties are well and truly misplaced.
Oh and I don't hit women, that is one of my non-negotiable set of principles.
Comment by Damo
I will start with your little claims.
Time to back things up with evidence:
"The comment immediately above mine is going up on my wall, along with the other gems provided by women-hating icons of the ages...maybe between the words of wisdom of St Paul and St Augustine?"
Who is holding the up as women-hating icons?
Give me their names.
Why do you spread the lie that I hate women?
"Fortunately for me I do not take advice from the writers of poorly disguised theological blogs."
What proof do have to back up any claim that I am writing "poorly disguised theological blogs?"
Back it up with evidence
"Even when it is pretends to be intellectual discourse propaganda is still propaganda."
Why are your blogs not propaganda?
What is wrong with propaganda?
Do you even know what propaganda is?
How are my my blogs propaganda?
Why is your alleged propaganda better than mine?
"Oh no you want to get into a debate morals again...didn't you lose the last one?"
What is wrong with having morals?
How do you know that I did lose the last debate?
Now when you can answer those questions with objective evidence come back.
See how this works Ruby. It is all about evidence. Objective Evidence that can be verified.
It is a professional skill to know about its importance.
Comment by RubySoho
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Thanks Kleo, I too am wondering why I am the target when I have not done or said anything that many before me have done. I see that you have not gotten answer apart from "comment on my post", what a cop-out.
Damo,
I have yet to write a single post that I have not backed up with evidence.
If you are unaware that St Paul and St Augustine are regarded by many as woman- haters then you need to read more.
I am spreading a lie about your alleged woman hating? No, I am merely deducing as such from your comments such as this" "feed your prejudices that there is a deep, dark, conspiracy against the sisterhood" and "So there are women out there who hate for the sake of hating. I never knew that. I always thought that because they were female that they could never be wrong. Unlike the those horrible males who have basically ruined the Utopian dream for everyone."
If the underlying tone in those statements is not hatred and ridicule then please tell me what is. It is patently clear to me that you mean to dismiss the concerns that women such as myself have as been all in our head.
Yes, I think think your blogs are thinly disguised religious propaganda, what with your anti-genetic engineering pictures of mice with ears, your railing against Karl Marx and Neitzsche, your pictures of fetuses, your defence of the Bible that never actually delves into the Bible- simply tells us we must respect it for no other reason than it is the Bible- and your claims that anyone who has a negative view of religion is suddenly a liar and the writer of hate literature. All propaganda because your posts are designed to lead the reader into thinking certain things without actually being open to another point of view- as testified by the fact that you get angry with anyone who leaves an opposing viewpoint in your comments. So I see through your little charade, so what? You can accuse me of having an 'agenda' but I have been nothing but honest and upfront since the day I arrived here. And you have hated me for it.
There is nothing wrong with having morals, when did I say there was? But I would say you lost the last debate because you stopped putting forward an argument and resorted to calling your opponents names and telling them that they bored you. You think I don't know a cop-out when I see one?
Comment by Damo
What happened to comment that comment went :
"SHE IS A FRAUD
FRAUD
FRAUD
FRAUD"
It has been replaced with this comment.
"Yes, Damo, I will be getting onto that right after I meet with Al Gore to solve the Global Warming Crisis. But I may have to fly via Washington so I can meet with Barack Obama about being his possible running mate.
Oh, and I thought I'd swing by Jerusalem and solve the Arab-Israeli conflict whilst I was at it. "
My goodness you must be busy running all over Orble covering your ass.
God I love Orble.
Will be back latter to see how she explains this away.
Comment by RubySoho
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What you think you are onto something?
Comment by Kleonaptra
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In case you forget, Damo, there is only one instance in the past where we argued.
I do not wish to argue with you. We share many mutual interests and views and I dont know why you have to take such offense when I meant none.
The post where we argued was 'Dark Sided Crazy Lady' the reason we argued is exactly the same reason we are arguing now - you spent so much time reading between the lines you didnt bother to read what I actually wrote.
You accusted me of being anti religion - part of me is, part of me isnt. The point I was making then that you refused to get was that that woman, by HER OWN definition, is no longer a christian. She was breaking commandments left right and centre. It was a joke of a post, I jumped in on the joke, you decided to crucify me for no reason.
Now the question I asked was 'why Ruby and not me?' I see you have not bothered to answer and just attacked so at the very least Ruby and I end up in the same boat.
I am not doing a good cop routine - I just want to know why you're picking on her and not me. At least you're spreading it around now.
Do you at least acknowledge the fact that none of us know each other? That what we blog about can have little to no bearing on our daily lives?
The reason I just gave up on the argument before is because, quite simply, you're not worth it Damo. No matter what arguments are served up against you you say the same thing over and over in different words and refused to be swayed on your point.(Hey, did you write for Howard?) You accuse others of being closed minded but in the arguments Ive witnessed its always you who refuses to walk in anothers shoes. You attack first and even though you claim to love debate what you really seem to enjoy is riling your enemy until they scream at you so you can feel superior.
No wonder David loves you.
My GOD what a sexist statement that is! You just had to say it like that didnt you - it makes you sound so honourable when in actual fact it just says that you believe men are that much stronger they better not intimidate the iddy bitty women.
I'd kick your arse.
Now, I know your going to take all this the wrong way, and come out with something scathing in return, something that more than likely doesnt even answer me, but believe me when I say, there was no need for an argument in the first place.
That being said, I do adore hot heads, and this is a magnificent joust. This is what I started writing for.
Comment by Damo
You just blew all your credibility.
If you have any doubts then I suggest that you go visit a professional journalist and ask them.
If you are going to alter history to match your own agenda Ruby then who are you to call anyone a fraud?
Don't bother answering.
You are not worth it.
I could say a thousand things to you Ruby but in the end you are just not worth it.
Comment by Damo
That was a lot words to say that you don't have any clear evidence.
Comment by RubySoho
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I changed that that comment as soon as I first wrote it and well before anyone replied to it and you didn't seem to have problem with it then so bring it up now?
Oh that's right, you are attacking me personally because you have nothing of any substance with which to reply to my actual arguments.
Nice way to back out of having to explain how your blog is not religious propaganda.
So good I am not worth it, does that mean you are going to stop writing revenge posts directed at me?
And I see he has moved onto you Kleo...good luck with that. It's okay you are not the first person to be admonished by the Great Damo for maybe, sort of agreeing with me.
Comment by Kleonaptra
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LOL! Love that!
*Yawn* yep Raven I did read what that means....
I dont bother with evidence because I expect people to be able to join the dots....And to provide evidence I would have to be trying to prove something, which Im not.
Comment by Bill Green
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Comment by tlcorbin
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Damo, Ruby and Kleo:
Where do things stand? Let me interject this: there has been 58 readers and nearly the same amount of comments by a group of four since this post was uploaded-so, what we have going on is a heated argument that isn't appealing to others. Lets move on.
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Ruby, your posts about the bible, christianity, religion and spirituality have been deliberately provocative; I don't believe you've been forth right about your reasons for the continuous haranguing, but then I haven't read the full volume of text you have published on the topic either.
Frankly, they're to repetitious and therefore annoying for me to take seriously. That isn't meant to disparage your point of view, it is indicative of my short attention span.
If you would have read my post and researched it, instead of reacting to it, you'd have realized it was a spoof; I was mocking the rancorous nature of your recent posts and deliberately parodying them to stir you up. It's unpleasant having to suffer through someone else's angst or twisted humor isn't it?
It isn't difficult to debate a topic you don't have to defend; but, if it weren't important, why attempt to change history and modify comments?
~ ~ ~
Bill, unless you are current with the entire history of these exchanges, perhaps you should temper your judgment about who is attacking whom on a personal level until you have more information, some of which has been modified after the fact; is that a standard practice for journalists?
BTW, I am having difficulty finding more that a single reference to Bill Green, for either RMIT's screen writing site or for that matter, your 16 published books. I am not a journalist or published author, and don't care to be, yet it's easy to search for me and find a long list of my activities; odd that.
Raven
Comment by RubySoho
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Secondly it is not "rewriting history" if you modify your comments within minutes. And if you would like to know why I have on a couple of occassions changed my comments immediately after posting them then look no further than this statement made by Kleo and directed at Damo:
You accuse others of being closed minded but in the arguments Ive witnessed its always you who refuses to walk in anothers shoes. You attack first and even though you claim to love debate what you really seem to enjoy is riling your enemy until they scream at you so you can feel superior.
Yes sometimes I respond emotionally, realise I have not written anything of value immediately and regret it.
But I like how you now want to move on even though it is Damo's back which is up against the wall. What a good friend you are. Writing this mean-spirited post about me knowing he would lap it up and then shutting down the discussion when it is he who has to start explaining himself.
By the way, I am never going to stop criticising religion and the Bible. So I suggest you all get used to it or learn to ignore me. Either is fine with me.
Comment by tlcorbin
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Go back to your roots,
Return to your cave,
I am not interested
in what Muhammad,
Jesus, Nietzsche or Ruby
would do.
Under this Cloudy sky,
I am responsible,
for my sovereign stand;
Yours is after all,
only a kaffir's
scam.
Well, then we shall continue to explore the depths of my misanthropic views and the length and breadth of your onanistic hypocrisy.
Raven
Comment by Damo
(Special Pleading) As a Professional Journalist by all means put your credentials on line here and now.
As a Professional Journalist you would know that special pleading is crap.
What publication are you working for and provide a link to samples of your work.
As a professional Journalist you would be well aware that if you wish to use that title you must prove it.
Otherwise well we might have our doubts.
Or you may just be a Muppet.
Comment by Damo
Finally the Statement:
Damo denies all charges that his My Apologetics is in any way a religious propaganda site.
My Apologetics does not have a Political or Religious agenda.
My Apologetics is merely a repository for essays on subjects that interest Damo. They are never and will never be claimed to be the last word on any subject.
My Apologetics comes with a caveate "It is just a point of View and you do not have to accept it."
Damo finds that any accusation that it has a religious propaganda agenda as laughable.
Yet Damo is used to false accusations: Terrorist, Anti-American, Liberal, Lib-Dem, Terrorist Sympathizer, Pro Muslim just to name a few.
My Apologetics has proven all such accusations made against in the past as totally false and without any foundation.
Damo will go further and say that any such accusation without credible objective evidence is a direct attempt to falsely impugn his character and blacken the water thus ad hominen in nature. (old tactics do not work on old foxes who has seen them before.)
In short if you make an accusation substantiate it.
Otherwise as the subject of the accusation I have every right to call you a bold face liar.
Damo also concludes that despite what some people may think, there is a huge difference between dotting "i's" crossing "t's" and the completely replacing comments so that the following response is devoid of reference and context. Such practices only have their place where people are deliberatly trying to decieve others.
Damo will now go off to library and tear out vital pages from history books as a gesture of approval for such deceptions. Knowing of course that had he done the same others would immediately pounce, and rightly so.
Comment by RubySoho
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I have only modified my comments BEFORE anyone has responded to them. Literally within minutes of posting them. So that accusation holds nt water. If you will look above you will see that I stated I deleted my comment before your response. When you made it clear you had seen my initial response then I restated everything in order to give your comment context.
So sorry try again.
Also stating my opinion does not make me a liar-bold faced or otherwise.
It is merely my point of view that your website is religious propaganda. Anyone is free to agree or disagree.
And it is an opinion that I continue to adhere to.
Comment by Damo
“I'm not upset that you lied to me, I'm upset that from now on I can't believe you"
I crack myself up.
My apologetics will now to go and argue with a horse in the street.
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But if you are going to call me a liar please back it up. You do kinda need evidence for that you know.
How's the conversation with the horse going?
Converted it yet?
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Your text goes here
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not that i think people should really have to provide a resume to express an opinion . . . i can think of quite a few writers who express opinions without confirming whether or not they are qualified in the field they are speaking about
Comment by tlcorbin
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That is probably a wise move. Thanks for the update Morgan.
Raven
Comment by tlcorbin
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Ruby, editing post comments to correct grammatical errors is an acceptable and reasonable practice, substantially modifying them isn't. Your plan to continue attacking religious institutions is fine with me, I'll be doing the same thing, where we're going to hit the wall will be issues that involve matters of faith.
I will try to resist the urge to post things like this, or
WhoseTruth will set us free?
Peace All.
Raven
Comment by RubySoho
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So we disagree on the matter of faith, so what? Why does that warrant a post like this? What's wrong with disagreeing? We are all just here to air our views and opinions. Why did it have to get so nasty?
Well I guess it's my bad about modifying those two comments, I suppose I should have hit the "preview comment" instead of the "create comment" button...and in both instances I was under the impression no-one else had read them yet. They certainly had not been replied to. Whatever, I'm not going to keep explaining it. But I must add, I find it intriguing that neither of you complained when David did it several times on the Black Knight Post, and in that instance, his comments had already been replied to.
Comment by Kleonaptra
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Raven
Just a clarify. Thats all I meant. You all know Im the first to admit to suppresed sexual arousal.
Thanks for the apology Damo - I too apologise because I have been laughing my arse off here in the real world and the only thing Im really taking seriously is the crucifying of Ruby.
Onya Bill. The voice of reason.
Ruby, that was a really well done explanation. I too have modified comments for the exact same reason. Usually replying through text allows me to calm down but sometimes I dont think first and Ive deleted comments and I do not believe that it is changing history.....I did, actually have to change history on my blog once due to outside influence and it still hurts to this day, and I dont think rewriting a comment within a few minutes is changing 'history'.
Its been a lovely romp Raven, the porch looks fantastic. Im enjoying the joke.....But if an atheist finds peace, isnt that what I was talking about on Rubys blog? 'The path by which another finds peace?'
You truly are the only orble writer that gets my wheels turning Raven, and thankyou.
Comment by tlcorbin
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Actually, I have modified my comments and posts when I caught something that disturbed me enough to make a change; and it has only caused minor earth tremors, whereas - you've set off earthquakes and tsunami alarms n that's exactly what I was ultimately trying to accomplish.
To answer your question: The point of this post is simple, we are responsible for the words out of our mouths and the actions of our lives - when we belittle others, it lessens us all. And, frankly, it was a ambuscade. Your post about misogynistic passages in the bible and 10 things etc, was offensive in that it was disingenuous and vaguely structured. It was a baited trap as far as I am concerned. To illustrate my point, I baited you. What happened is history, and I magnanimously exited quietly to allow the comments to act as a snare, that I didn't steer.
I hate being manipulated, but-and this is a biggie, we all can be and are, far more often than we'd like to believe. But don't take things so seriously that you can't see the humor in even our own foolishness; you're talking to a cat in a hat named raven, now how surreal is that? A pun, no one picked up on as yet.
Raven
Comment by Kleonaptra
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Or Raven?
Thanks for the larfs before work! This has really cheered up my morning!
To echo Tisha - Raven, that orange monstrosity is indeed hideous.
SNORT! *stomp foot, swish tail*
Comment by tlcorbin
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All seekers of peace are fully worthy of it's benefits. The rub for me was that she has faith in her belief system, as do others who may innocently mix faith with the institution of religion while she chooses to blend it with something else. Lets not dismantle faith over institutional issues.
Yea, the porch and roof both were replaced actually . . . geez, with all of the ruckus, Medford has all but disappeared during the day, and can only be lured out from under the bed with copious amounts of catnip. He's a bit stressed.
Kleo, always glad to get your wheels turning, turn about is fair play. You manage to stir me up as well - I admire your willingness to jump into a fray that appeared to be an attack, that speaks volumes to me about the nature of your character.
Raven
Comment by tlcorbin
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Raven
Comment by Damo
That is fine.
I am not the sort of person to keep a grudge.
The internet is a place of strangers talking to strangers thinking that everyone can read their hidden subtexts.
I regret that you spent so long upsetting your self over a throw away line as it may be my intention to provoke debate it is never my intention to exploit it.
The reference to arguing with a horse relates to the quote I used. Find the quote, find who wrote it and the incident is mentioned in his life story. Along with his other bouts of madness. Cryptic I know but occasionally I like to see how much people do know about who they consider to be their hero. Dostoyevsky used the same point in Crime and Punishment.
Comment by Damo
It would probably be best that Mr Green confirms his own qualifications.
It is extremely relevant as he does identify himself as Professional Journalist.
Yet on the outset he opened with the obvious logical fallacy of special pleading. He then followed at up with the prejudice based upon the special pleading that his opinion was correct. This is not a mistake that I would expect from someone who is a professional. Hence the need to objectively verify the claim.
Only one of those links you left gave any indication that it refers to this Bill Green. Unfortunately it just so happens to be another Blog site.
Based upon his prejudicial comments we need to know whether he is an objective observer or has merely decided to use his unsubstantiated title as proof that what he says is true.
Then he will need to rephrase his observation in the standard that is expected of an objective professional.
Comment by RubySoho
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I think you owe Bill Green a massive apology.
And Kleo and Raven, thank you for your points about modifying comments...I was beginning to think I was some sort of mental leper.
My posts were not designed to bait anyone into anything. Just my own opinions. I have seen other posts and comments on Orble with titles and text like "fuck the pope and fuck America", "fuck Mohammed" "Christians are douche bags" and other similar endearments and they have raised not a whisper. But I say something to the effect that I don't believe in God and here is why and I am suddenly under the watchful eye of the Orble intelligentsia police.
*Shrug*.
I choose to take it as a compliment that others are so interested in what I have to say.
And Raven, whilst I am prepared to accept that you were acting in the spirit of humour, I cannot say the same for Damo. He needs to come down a peg or two in his estimation.
And to Damo:
I never said that he was my hero. "his other bouts of madness". More bad mouthing and demeaning of someone who had the nerve to criticise religion. No, you are not in the business of propaganda at all.
You are without a doubt the most sanctimonious and egotistical character I have ever come across on the internet.
And that's one comment I won't be modifying.
Comment by tlcorbin
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Raven
Comment by Damo
If Bill Green thinks that I owe him an apology the Bill Green will ask for one himself. What you think about the matter is immaterial.
Bill identified himself as a Professional Journalist and I am doing precisely what he would do in my situation. I am verifying the facts.
It is not my fault that you continually come to my sites to fling insults at me. Nor is is it my fault that you magically find hidden meaning in what I write. If you are complaining as to who I am to engage with, well that is just plane silly isn't it? I write according to my agenda no one else's.
Poor Old Mad Fred we are Glad he is dead.
It not that we should complain but his constant winging was such a pain.
Even Mad Fred is a Top Bloke after Death.
Comment by Damo
The Post called "fuck Mohammed" cannot be found.
The Post called "Christians are douche bags" cannot be found.
I wonder where they went or who deleted them?
No matter.
The Post called "fuck the pope and fuck America" does exist. A title that is oozing with intelligence.
It even has two comments on it.
anon say : All Bullshit
yet the previous comment is by none other than
Ruby:
Ruby says:
I have been wanting to get my hands on this for some time now. thanks for the link, I look forward to watching it.
Comment by RubySoho
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Titles and text. As in some of those comments are in the text of the article.
The following is the last paragraph from a post entitled "Free Speech More Important Than Hurt Feelings"
To the summit in Africa that wants to take free speech to court, and to anyone who supports such an idea, I present my middle finger, my blasphemous tongue, and a big "Fuck You" to Muhammad.:
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This comment is from the comments section from the post entitled The Devil You Don't Know
I got the list from a douche site called jesus-is-saviour.com
"Other gems from these douches include:
The Good News Bible Exposed! (Good News BABEL!)"
"God Hasn't Lifted His Ban Against Walt Disney!"
and
"To Whom Do Catholics Pray?"
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Now I am not quoting these writers to condemn them. Not at all. Merely to show that there are writers on Orble who are just as if not more critical of religion or who use more disparaging language in regards to religious figures than I do. And yet, they do not have the self-appointed King Of Orble following them around calling them bigots and hate mongers.
And yes, I have been curious about the zeitgeist film for some time. Is that not allowed? Does that not fit your own criteria for respectable and acceptable viewing? Just who do you think you are? Are you seriously for real? You actually went searching those comments I quoted to ascertain if I had made them up? And then you quote my comment as though I should somehow be ashamed of it? You are acting like a fool in your continuing crusade against me. It is obvious to everyone you have a personal vendetta.
Stop embarrassing yourself.
Comment by Bill Green
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I never dreamed I would be the witch in my very own witch hunt.
Comment by Damo
Thanks now that we have established your credentials.
Are you also the same Bill Green who worked as a speech writer for the Late Jim Cains Labour Deputy Prime Minister of the 1970's?
Am I correct in assuming that you are the same person?
Comment by Damo
For someone was so annoyed about me not chasing things up you seem terribly upset when I do.
You are the one who accused My Apologetics of being a Religious Propaganda Site. The rest of the insults were too numerous to count.
Yet when I chased up one of your own examples of excessive vulgarity who do we find giving approving comments?
If this a witch hunt then you just caught yourself.
I think people may wish to start distancing themselves from your comments at this stage.
Comment by RubySoho
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There is a saying that goes something along the lines of
If you should find yourself in a deep hole with a shovel in your hand, you should probably stop digging.
Damo, I suggest you stop digging.
Comment by Damo
Great advice.
Try it yourself one day.
Comment by RubySoho
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And on it goes.
Stay tuned everyone.
Will Damo get Ruby in the end?
Will he turn the whole of Orble against her?
Or will his attempts to shut her up for good only make her more determined?
Only time will tell...
Comment by tlcorbin
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And as far as I know BW, in part to the recent knowledge imparted to me by a newly realized god - never try to rear end a new acquaintance until you've been formally introduced and paid the dues: do I see an empty camera in play?
Raven
Comment by Damo
Hahahahaha
hahahahaha
hahahahaha
LOLOLOLOL
(overdoing the laughter a bit aren't I?)
My Apologetics has no doubt that Ruby still has a lot of hate to give.
Why would My Apologetics want to ruin the best entertainment on Orble.
Drop a line even without bait or hook and this fish still bites.
Comment by Morgan Bell
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when you say "special pleading" do you mean exempting something from criticism by method of declaring that your opponant lacks the qualifications necessary to comprehend your point of view?
or do you mean deflecting from the position you are defending by dismissing your opponent and going off on a tangent about an arbitrary point?
or do you mean showing a double standard by demanding evidence about your opponents argument while considering your own argument exempt from scrutiny?
at the end of the day blogging is a form of informal writing where the content is moderated by the users, if you change your mind about something you write in a post or comment you have the power to modify and/or delete . . . thats just the way it is . . . you have the right of reply and you have acted on that right . . . thats all you can really expect from blogging
i think quibbling about who provides information or how, where and when, paired with requests for more and more "evidence" is fairly pointless if you are not even prepared to consider a position different to your own
what ruins your credibility on the internet? one person says modifying comments, another says resorting to personal insults . . . they are opinions . . . and it is my opinion that it isnt Bill Green who is resorting to "special pleading"
Comment by Damo
When I say special pleading I refer to the common logical fallacy called "Special Pleading".
You had better do a bit of reading up on it.
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As I said if Bill Green has a problem with my observation then it is up to him to make an objection.
Shifting the ground or Red Herrings are also common fallacies.
Also worth you while reading up on.
Comment by Morgan Bell
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thanks for the link but i think your article is describing the logical fallacy of "Appealing To Authority" (a type of red herring) not "Special Pleading"
i also see you are the master of "Ad Hominem" attack, "Moving The Goalposts" and "Proof by Verbosity"
theres a whole list of them on wiki you might want to read up on yourself
CLICKHERE for list of fallacies
Comment by tlcorbin
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You've gone from commenter to mind reader in one fell swoop. Are you a natural telepath or technopath? If you start quoting from Eve Ensler's Vagina Monologue, I think I'll blow chunkies ~ but you can hum the theme song. It's rather catchy.
What has any of this got to do with two bloggers exercising their right to make complete __________ (add an descriptive adjective of choice here) of themselves.
The attacks?, this seem to be a fairly even fencing match and interesting to observe. Neither is particularly handicapped in sparing skills. This seems to be drawing out the best in both of them.
Speaking of vagina's, wasn't there a BG who fell from grace after worshiping at the alter of feminine mystic once to often or was that Clinton? Odd, that a fellow should throw out bread crumbs to follow to his lair, a lure for empty headed nestling's out on their own for the first time and full of themselves. An empty camera has quite the appeal.
Raven
Comment by Morgan Bell
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no i am no expert on the male psyche, nor am i telepathic, which is probably for the best as if i could read minds im sure i would be shocked as to what you guys actually think . . . im just a girl standing infront of a guy asking him to clarify a few things (much like julia roberts in notting hill except hugh grant wasnt nearly as evasive)
i like your extensive use of the word vagina . . . it gives you a maternal quality, very becoming of a blog moderator i think
so whats all this empty camera business?
Comment by tlcorbin
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if a man is looking at you, he's thinking sex,
if a man is talking to you, he's thinking sex,
if a man is thinking about you, he's thinking sex,
if a man is arguing with you, he's thinking sex,
if a man is touching you, he's half way there,
if a man has put his hands in his pockets, they have holes in them and he's given up waiting for you guess, he's thinking sex and is taking matters into his own hands.
Oh, ouch, not the infamous Julia Roberts ploy . . . foul; I didn't realize the nuclear option was on the table.
Yea, vagina power is highly underestimated; women have a near monopoly on them and wield it's power and influence quite naturally.
The empty camera business? If I share that sacred and secret male knowledge, men the world over would be compelled by honor to kill me for the disclosure.
Raven
Comment by Kleonaptra
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Jumping into the fray is what I do best....Spent too many years as a nerdy overweight mouse getting picked on by the entire school so had to change.....Way of the Warrior for me!
Damo,
Im glad you admit we're all strangers. By saying that, its utterly impossible to know what someone truly feels simply by reading text - people often have trouble expressing themselves face to face, let alone through software.
And that is utterly hilarious about the horse line, Im always using quotes from my favourite books and movies and no one has ever caught on.
Im not looking to hug and cry and learn and grow, Im just sayin.......
BTW Damo, the orble search engine sucks. I often look for things I know exist and they wont come up. I have to sift through all the blogs sometimes.
Ruby, I find this whole thing quite ridiculous now - its like 'da boys' thought we were doing a sisterhood thang or something.....Fact is Id step in for anyone if I think it went too far. You are perfectly capable of defending yourself, (obviously) but I just had to make my thoughts known too....Im a chatterbox. Cant shut me up if you drown me.
The wheels are starting to smoke Raven......
Comment by Damo
I am so glad you found the list.
I am also glad that you have appointed yourself as the depender of Bill Green. Did you ask him if he needed to be defended?
Since you have found a list of logical fallacies you can go do some serious reading.
That way you may be able to understand that statements poised as rhetorical questions are still statements.
You may learn to be careful enough to back up what ever accusation you make with clear evidence. Rather than mere conjecture.
You would also learn the emptiness of semantic arguments.
Now if you don't mind, try to telling someone else the meaning of the terms. Someone who does not know perhaps.
Comment by Bill Green
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Comment by Damo
I will take that "yes" and a direct answer to my question.
I thank you for your directness.
I will thank you for confirming that information as I am well aware of the history of the late Dr Jim Cains and his political views. I am also aware that a former speechwriter for him may also be seen as sharing many of his views.
So I am left with the nagging possibility that you are not an objective observer. I believe that as a professional you would not take offense in my alluding to that possibility.
It was in no way my intention embarrass you. However you did identify your self as Professional Journalist and further as a public figure with connections to politics. I also believe that as such you do not require others to speak for you or defend your reputation, no matter how well meaning.
If you are curious as to why I pulled you up then I am happy to answer any reasonable and straight forward question. By all means send a private email via my blog site if you think that is a better forum than this particular very old flame war.
Comment by Damo
I try to maintain a sense of humour all the time and only write seriously to practice it.
We do not know each other that is correct and noone really can completely know another person. I intentionally take a lot of personal privacy whilst on line. Experience is a great teacher.
Despite the Orble search engine sucking I have usually been able to find what I was looking for.
It is quite possible that two posts with offensive titles were removed by the authors or even modified. Maybe the Orble fairy removed them. Who knows? Either way I did not see them so how can I be expected to respond.
Yet the Title that was found and had the title: "fuck the pope and fuck America" did exist.
This is the real dregs of bigotry isn't it?
Would you honestly want to associate yourself with such hateful statements?
Read the post and see the attitude of the person who wrote them.
I figure that you are a person of principle so I might be presumptuous in assuming that you find it to be the depth of prejudice and hate mongering to push a warped conspiracy theory.
If I have overstep the mark in my presumption then by all mean tell me to back off.
Comment by RubySoho
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I too am finding this beyond ridiculous.
I see Damo is still digging away.
Nice comment above.
Kleo, is it just me or does he appear to be telling you what to think, how to feel and from whom you should distance yourself ?
Guilt by association eh Damo?
"If I have overstep the mark in my presumption then by all mean tell me to back off".
Damo: Judge, Jury and Elocutioner!
Comment by Norm
Consumption Malfunction
Equal and Opposite
Arses and Elbows
Footy Power
Comment by Norm
Consumption Malfunction
Equal and Opposite
Arses and Elbows
Footy Power
You might want a straw with that back pedal, Damo.
Comment by Morgan Bell
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theres that double standard again, its easy to falsely accuse someone of "special pleading" if you consider yourself exempt from criticism (an argument style which ironically is actually "special pleading by definition)
you can pretend this is a court of law if you like where you deem evidence inadmissable because you dont like the way it was delivered to you, but really this is a blog and it just comes across as being evasive . . . which is your right if you choose . . . but no amount of being smug or condescending to everyone can disguise a persons inability to politely concede a point
Raven,
suddenly a sex change seems more appealing than ever . . . if i get my penis installed i could command respect with the mystical secrets of the empty camera . . . youve said too much already, watch your back in the boys club!
Comment by tlcorbin
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Ruby, I for one have been clear about my position on the matter of women; they should be obscene and not heard-why act counter to genetic mandates?
Women are sperm collectors and men are depositors, conversation beyond that required for procreation is pointless. Once the sperm has been donated for the continuation of the species, man must move on to the next female or practice polygamy ~ oops, sorry, they do . . . it is after all, a mans world and women are still property. Ask your middle eastern relatives or members of your community, how many of them view women as chattel.
There, now wasn't that cathartic? What is it you want from this post? No matter how many times the opportunity has arisen to let it fade into history; you inevitably opt to get one last dig in; so I've opted to deliver a snarky remark.
BTW, Nate Bartling has a little sumpin sumpin for you, very little I'm guessing; Zeitgeist movies stir you? That's depressing.
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Norm, WTF are you butting in for? Crap, I wanted this thing to die, but as long as you're here the squabble must continue. How do you spell, cats breath smells; Norm. A back peddling straw is what, powered by the pointless movement of hot air; Norm? Barrow sum from Gem.
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Damo, thanks for exercising such uncommon restraint in this post.
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Thank most of you for your less than pithy remarks; I guess that'd suggest those inclusive in that bunch are full of pith. Collectively, you're starting to get on my remaining good nerve.
Raven
Comment by Damo
How are you David getting along lately.
Perhaps we could invite him to this almighty flame war.
Why not? He would absolutely love it.
We could use another perspective.
Comment by RubySoho
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The reason you want this post to die is because it has not gone according to plan has it? My my, how the tables have turned.
"And then in the strange way things happen
Their roles were reversed from that day.
The hunted became the huntress
And the hunter became the prey."
Yes, I too am privy to quoting others to make a point.
Restraint...hahahaha. Oh Raven, i'll be giggling over that for days. But it is very sweet of you to jump in and attempt to save a friend who is drowning in a sea of his own words.
"Is it standing by your mate
When he's in a fight?
Or just vegemite?
True blue
True blue
True blue"
Hey this quoting stuff is fun.
Comment by Norm
Consumption Malfunction
Equal and Opposite
Arses and Elbows
Footy Power
Comment by Ahmed
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I must be a eunuch.
Comment by Ahmed
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Someone whose going to start playing with words like a child just learning to speak does?
Then realizing that isnt helping resorting to personal attacks directed at people he doesn't like from the safety of his own blog under a different name?
Ah yes, we sure could use David now couldn't we?
He was a typical playground bully, he makes a bunch of friends and uses them to selectively attack people he dislikes. In the end he thinks less of his 'friends' than those people he's directing the collective anger of his 'friends' towards. It's a matter of respect, the overlord/henchmen complex. He doesn't have an easy time coping with the idea of being classified as second rate in the mind of anyone.
Comment by RubySoho
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I never knew blogging could be such fun.
Comment by Ahmed
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Little Green Foosballs
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Little Green Foosballs
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Comment by RubySoho
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Boo-yeah! That's more like it.
Have we all learnt a lesson here today boys and girls?
Why it would appear that the more you attack another person and try to turn others against that said person, the more you turn them against...yourself.
And tomorrow, we will discuss the Wizard of Oz.
I am the great and powerful Oz!
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!
Comment by Damo
Usually people try to make a point when it is still current.
It also usual to seek permission from someone before you rush off to defend what you wish to tell them is their honour. Otherwise you are insulting that persons ability to defend them self and being presumptuous in demanding that they stick to you definition of honour.
Now I get the idea that you are impressing yourself with the High Art of semantics but I guess I just have no appreciation of that artform.
However not to disappoint you and your hunger to educate me about the subject, I have already created a post on the subject where you can argue the matter to death. You have the link above and I welcome all comments on the subject that is relevant there.
It was based upon the Book called... let me see if I can remember... Ah yes.
Clear Thinking by R W Jepson pg: 87 etc.
In the Chapter Titled : Prejudice.
If you have a problem with my definition the perhaps you had better write a semantic letter to him.
When he writes back then I will concede the point.
Comment by Damo
You should know.
Open with an insult and plead innocence.
Comment by tlcorbin
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But of course they do Norm, what'd be the point of not ruling as a tyrant?
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Ahmed, greetings our eunuch gem. What's wrong with allowing David to speak for himself, ah . . . so that's how you became a eunuch. One battle to many with D-man.
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Ruby, your psyche will settle down in a few days and your rage against all things male will eventually subside; the hormone therapy should kick in soon and besides, you can always shave.
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Ahmed, doubling up on the same comment will always demonstrate your masterful self control; sure, go ahead and delete one of them, it won't affect your credibility at all.
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Well, enough of this for tonight, the sound of Gem pleasuring herself with you know who, is embarrassing; god I hope the batteries for her, you know what, hold out longer than she does. She's been rather thorny lately and somebody needs to spank her in a nearly sexual sorta way. Wonder what her uncles are doing? How is your conversion to Moronism proceeding?
Raven
Comment by Damo
How many other would like to come into the fold?
Perhaps you would like to call back some old enemies that you have.
We suddenly You for no apparent reason.
Norm from nowhere.
I wonder where all this sudden interest in a subject that you have never shown in.
Enlightenment perhaps?
Here is a new thing.
Make a point rather than dumb jokes.
Don't cry when people attack Muslims and then laugh when they attack Christians or any other group for that matter
Unless of course every accusation aimed at you was completely true.
Me, I always had faith that you were a better person than that.
You more than anyone know that.
Comment by RubySoho
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Must be half way to China by now.
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Raven
Comment by RubySoho
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This whole post was nothing but an ill fated attempt to undermine and ridicule me and my view points.
You and Damo thought you would have a little laugh at my expense right?
Ha!
Didn't it backfire in your smug little faces.
You started this.
Now you can deal with it.
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Raven
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Comment by RubySoho
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But I am enjoying watching the two of you attempt to wipe the egg from your faces.
Oh yes, I surely am.
Comment by Ahmed
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Old enemies? David was not my enemy, he was Orbles enemy, he came in with the single minded intent of being the center of attention which I'm sure you agree is against the very principles on which Orble was founded. I don't currently find him as an enemy but I know if he comes back to Orble he probably will end up becoming Orbles enemy again.
I've read through this post and its comments severel times, I just never quite understood what was going on enough to reply. I'm not very good at spotting insults when they are made subtly, but now that I see it I see it which is why I'm commenting, I feel that I've finally figured out this discussion enough to comment on it and be dragged into becoming a part of it.
As for attacks against Muslims and Christians, well here's the thing, I'm not laughing at an attack against Christians. What I find is people hold bent views of each others beliefs no matter what, if they express it then so be it. As long as their opinions do not hold a grudge against the person following the belief I have no problem. RubySoho can keep on saying Christianity belittles women to her hearts content, but I know most Christians are not like that so to me it's a non-issue that she is taking quotes out of the bible for her own amusement and it shouldn't bother you either.
I don't see her views as correct, in fact I see them as blatantly false, misleading and wrong. But I also don't find the need to angrly react, as you've said yourself, it isn't really possible to change someones opinion through writing on the internet like this.
What I take issue with here is that Ruby attacked Christianity (and to a lesser extent Islam) based on her own interpretations. I don't personally approve of doing such things and I believe I have made it amply clear to her why I wouldn't argue with her, such conversations lead to nothing.
Now the reason I might be taking her side here is because this post has been nothing but a subtle attack against her as a person. In a way I dont approve of the way she is handling herself but neither do I approve if the intent in which this blog post was made.
If this blog post was an attack on feminists and our protogonist was not called 'Gem' I'd be much more comfortable, it would be a more fair, progressive, on the level discussion devoid of any needless personal attacks.
I don't like this sort of fighting, I understand why things have turned out this way and really like what seems to be all arguments on orble these days it is made with nothing but misunderstandings.
I agree with both you and Ravfen that Ruby was wrong in the way she simplified the bible and used that as an attack on Christianity. More to the point I think she was somewaht shortsited in that she failed to try and distinguish between her understanding of the bible and how people who read it understand the bible.
What should happen is we should concede that she does not understand religion for its depth and at times what seems like sheer contradictions. However what is happening is a bunch of personal attacks are being thrown around and there is no actual progress being made in any sort of discussion.
I'm not sure who started it but the point is it's still going and has long since passed its use by date.
We disagree, let it rest. I could throw more fuel on the fire and call into question Ruby's motives and her character, that she converted from Islam to Christianity then adopted athiesm but honestly what good would that do?
If we are going to parrot ourselves around as being 'better' people then we should not be engaging in such childish behaviour, to the point where we subtly insult people we dislike on the merits she does not understand religion in the same way we do.
Comment by Ahmed
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Comment by Damo
Well, you do have a lot of hate to give.
And true to your promise you have been delightfully sharing it around.
I am so impressed.
I have no quarrel with Kleo and now we can speak on equal terms.
Yet it is you who is not happy with that.
I wonder why you are trying to trigger base emotions in Kleo and expecting Kleo not to see through such a manipulative ploy.
That is right so you can show your love and concern for her.
Perhaps if you stopped trying to speak for others they may be able to get a word in and speak for themselves.
If I have offended Kleo it is for Kleo to say so. If Kleo wants you to speak for her then Kleo can give her right of any reply over to you. Yet I have the impression that Kleo is not some mere puppet and can think for herself and decide for herself.
The reason for you to sharing this delightful example of your love is to avoid explaining the question that is begging to be answered.
How do you explain why you put supportive comments on a post that shown by you as an example of base bigoted vulgarity.
By all means pull out another victimhood card but you seem to use that ploy far too often for people to take seriously anymore.
Enjoy your night.
I will be back tomorrow to see how you evade the answer.
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Comment by Morgan Bell
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thanks for the reference
Prejudice in this form of 'Special Pleading ' is evident in the man who varies his attitude towards the Law according as it suits his interests or convenience. At one time he will, when pressing his legal rights to the most unfair extreme, justify his hard dealing by urging that he is not contravening the law and is merely insisting on what is lawfully due to him.
that is the definition given by RW Jepson
Really Long Link
who i see was formerly headmaster at The Mercers' School, Holborn, England and who designed the text as preparation for the citizenship test in the 1940s . . . just some random trivia
this is an example of suggested further reading
and there is also an interesting chapter on Propaganda
i dont have a problem with any of Jepsons definitions, they seem quite in line with with other academics, i only suggest that you have had a problem comprehending them because you have already made up your mind
if you are going to insist that water is wine, or wine is blood, despite all sources proving otherwise then it probably wont matter how many texts you read you will never be willing to concede an obvious point
Comment by RubySoho
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You can talk about spreading hate. You who has been bad mouthing me since the day I had the apparent temerity to say i was I an atheist who did not approve of religion- any religion.
You has been telling anyone who will listen that I am a liar, a hatemonger, a bigot, a perpetrator of hoaxes, a troll, a peddler of other people's viewpoints, a crazy, prejudiced, raving nutbag who thinks i see sexism that does not exist.
In answer to your questions:
1. I did not leave an approving comment. i thanked the writer for a link to a film that I had been curious about for some time but had never had the opportunity to watch. Please point out anywhere in my comment where I expressly state that I approved of the post.
But i was not aware that i had to ask your permission before i could leave any sort of comment on any sort of post. oh hey don't you have a post up right now about that...yeah false indignation right?
2. I believe that my comment to Kleo was directed at Kleo. I don't think Kleo needs you to defend her honour. But since we are talking about triggering base emotions please explain these comments you made:
To Morgan:
I hope you do not take this nonsense with Ruby seriously. She is just a troll.
To Kleo:
If you wish to play good cop to Ruby's bad cop routine then your loyalties are misplaced.
You absolute lying hypocrite. Go spread your bullshit to someone who can't see through you. I have had enough of it.
Comment by Bill Green
Talking Headlines
Poor old Jim, hounded by the mainstream press because it took them ten years to catch up with his views on Vietnam. He was so conservative and yet he was hung out to dry as pinko lefty. Evan Whitton wrote a great piece about him in The National Times a day before he won the dpm vote. He found him a very ordinary bloke who was sticking up for his principles, as most Australians fail to do.
Personally I don't trust the left or the right. I was not a member of the ALP during the Whitlam Government, and one of the aspects of the Sunday Review was that we ran writers from the left and right which was a big boon for sales because each group wanted to know what the others were doing.
I did force a Liberal government to allow rebel journalist Wilfred Burchett into the country. ASIS had stolen his passport and because he reported the war from the north he was considered a traitor (remember he was also the first journo to tell us that atom bombs delivered radiation sickness AND WAS RIDICULED FOR IT BY THE NYT AND LT).
The government caved in when I flew out to get him on Gordon Barton's (The Australia Party) money. Being egotistical I thought I had won something. Turns out Nixon and Kissinger wanted to talk to him (and they did) and I had only brought him in from the cold. I hope that gives you a look at where I am politically. I personally think it's a Fuck the Government Party that's needed.
Ti Corbin, I've never worn glasses. It's a strange phenomenon but I'm short-sighted in one eye and long in the other and the brain balances the two. Not bad. And I guess I don't have CSB because I don't have the physical symptoms. I CONGRATULATE YOU ON YOUR FREUDIAN INTERPRETATIONS THOUGH. REMEMBER HE WROTE, "LET US SPECULATE THAT WOMEN HAVE ... ", NOT THAT THEY DO
Comment by Damo
I was about to walk away from the computer when I noticed your reply.
Thanks for the honest and forth right reply.
You and I have never been in total synch on all issues however on the issue of prejudice and bigotry I believe that we have always been on the same side. Taken the same blows & called the same insults and I would without hesitation do it all again. I am certain that you would too.
You are correct that this is part of a long winded flame war that well past its use by date.
However the issue has been building rather than dissipating.
I am fine with people leaving comments on my posts and even disagreeing. I have always maintained a do not delete policy as much as I can. Trolling was rarely a problem till now.
Yet for some unknown reason to me suddenly my site is being accused of being a Religious Propaganda Site; I am accused of hypocrisy; I am being accused of being writing revenge posts and a long list of other things. All accusations which are without the slightest foundation.
Then when she told that she was trolling well suddenly she is the big victim.
Yet it seems that as soon as I write something Ruby has this desire to leap onto my site and make the false accusation that somehow it is all about her. A misinformation that can only have come from her own imagination.
I do not even bother reading what she writes as many seem to be spiteful, designed to bait people to a savage attack and reach a depth of ignorance that I rarely seen before. Above all they exude pure hatred falsely hiding behind the flag of justice.
My quarrel is not with you Ahmed and this post written by Raven is little more than a parody of her posts. You need only count her puerile insults and compare them with mine to see. I believe that I have been restrained without resorting to being a doormat.
You can of course send me an email via my website to discuss any matter, as we have done in the past. We may not always agree but we have always agreed to disagree rather than set out to destroy each other.
In this case I am asking you to watch and see. It may get a lot uglier but my intentions are not to defeat Ruby in any way but to make a point about the principle of hate(both of us having connections to countries at war would know that from first hand experience). This is not a bland attempt to grab ratings and I very happy that Ruby has friends on Orble. I wish her well and harbour no ill will.
Yet I am not fool and I have seen all this 1000 times before with far greater consequences than Ruby could ever imagine.
You are a better man that I Ahmed.
Damo
Comment by Cheryl J
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Grow the fuck up and get a life.
Comment by Damo
You are 100 percent correct.
There are absolutely no winners in this.
I will see what I can do to repair the damage.
Comment by Damo
Thanks for your reply.
It seems that you were close to Dr Cains and also that you were thoroughly shafted by politics.
This was just an old flame war that went off the rails.
I am sorry that you got sucked into it.
It started as parody by Raven and thought it was funny at first. I make mistakes just like everyone else and I guess this was one of them. Sorry to say that no one is above being fallible, even me.
Definitely I did feel the need to check your credentials, I hope that was not too intrusive. I do take a bit of privacy for myself for various reasons, none of which are too sinister. However it is an old habit of mine to check something out before I believe it. Professionalism or just plain paranoia?
I wish you good luck.
I mean you no ill feeling.
Damo
Comment by Damo
It has been a long period of days as we danced around some of the most unimportant issues on the planet.
However I am extremely happy that you happened to have fallen upon one of my favorite books. I keep it close as one of my key references. I don't think R W Jepson ever meant it to a weapon but rather a tool.
I do have a warped sense of humour so it may seem odd the way I respond.
If I have caused you any distress or insult in this I offer my apology.
Comment by Damo
I think that we have exhausted the entire universe of insults that can flung about.
We cannot always agree and nor do I expect that from anyone.
One thing I do believe in is that it is pretty useless talking about peace in the world if we cannot find peace with each other.
I certainly do share much of the blame for this flame war and so I will offer my apology.
We cannot always agree but we can always agree to disagree. Either way when think about this is just some tiny little Blog site which has absolutely no hope of being the power house of social change. Just a bunch of dudes hammering away at computers.
I hold no ill feeling toward you.
I wish you well.
Comment by tlcorbin
Coffee Quip
But fortunately, it's not my finger on the nuclear button option, because we all know that I would have pushed it, if for no other reason than to see if it really worked.
It's the weekend, go find some mental floss and abandon your asses to wanton self degradation no longer; find the life that Cheryl suggests can be found. She has a road map, IM her for a copy.
Bill, you're still demonstrating that CSB is affecting your ability to read; it's TL not ti corbin, but who cares? You are after all, talking to a cat in a hat named raven, because he is just that. Again, nice to have you on board.
I'm going salmon fishing, so save yourselves; run to a safe haven-get drunk-get laid-see the doctor on Monday. We can always trade barbs then, something lame like: For god's sake Ruby, get pregnant or something-you deserve to have kids just like you. That or drain your end of the gene pool. Didn't that just suck?
Later,
Raven
Comment by Morgan Bell
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i appreciate your sincerity and (believe it or not) do always appreciate the research that comes out of the banter . . . i know its only blogging and i dont take it very seriously so there has been no distress, but i wanted to respond to tell you that i respect the consideration it takes to apologise
i dont think you have ever directly insulted me, perhaps because i do not speak with as much emotional language as others do . . . i find having all my arguments dismissed as semantics a little frustrating and wish you would discuss more rather than jumping on the defensive . . . i prefer to learn with people rather than be lectured to
but that is just my interpretation of your tone
in the spirit of reconciliation i would also like to offer an apology for any language i have used towards you that you have found offensive
hi Cheryl,
thanks for the wake-up call we all needed
Orble will never flourish as a community if it is only a stomping ground for grudges and personal vendettas
new people will be are excluded or insulted and it all turns very ugly
live and let live
post and let post
you are a wise and level-headed lady
Comment by RubySoho
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Is this a parody of my posts? No. I think not. My posts were not directed at other individuals on Orble.
This post was aimed directly at me and is an insult to me and to women who have fought so tirelessly to improve the lives of women everywhere.
But I do accept your apology and offer my own in return.
I did not join a blogging community to make enemies.
And Raven, I request that you delete this entire post.
It should never have been written.
Comment by RubySoho
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But no matter, you take it the way you want you.
Good night everyone.
I guess the show is over now...
Comment by tlcorbin
Coffee Quip
or
Which is appropriate?
To All who participated in this sham, if you really know this author, you know that although rancorous and contentious appearing at times, I have no real malice towards any of you.
I'm going to let this post stand for a while as a testament to my foolishness and will likely take it down later. My only future response to comments on this post shall be a happy face.
We've all seemingly run astray, but ultimately came to the collective conclusion, that these things become self denigrating and unproductive. I have renewed hope for the future.
Non sexual hugs and love to all.
Raven
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Raven
Comment by Kleonaptra
Kalikapsychosis
I have to say, it makes me feel REALLY uncomfortable when you talk about me when Im not here. And that was a lot of talking about me. I had to work, otherwise I would have got in before Raven officially stopped it.
Im glad everyone here knows me so well. Please visit my homepage, and read my tag line.
Comment by Damo
You are correct.
Apologies if I did so.
No winners in this.
Comment by Damo
I am fine with that.
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Kalikapsychosis
Comment by Ahmed
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It either ends with massive grudges or people kiss and make up.
I move for the latter.
*kisses*
Comment by Damo
Too true. I stayed out of the other notorious dummy spit but got sucked into this one. Part of elongated storming phase - so to speak. Egos and computer screens are like a drug. It is easy to forget we are just a bunch of tools thinking we are king shit.
I am laying bets that in a week there will be another big dummy spit with another bunch on Orble and this is all forgotten, Ah, I love the progress of history.
Comment by Damo
I forgot to mention that since I do have a comment on my Blog about the crazy woman.
If you want me to modify it, delete it or add an apology to it I shall.
If the information is incorrect and I was wrong. I will fix it.
Comment by RubySoho
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Raven
Comment by Kleonaptra
Kalikapsychosis
NORM, I need to tell you buddy, that was an utterly magnificent way to make fools of us all....Very well timed after mine and Damos comments about using quotes....If more people had got the refrence, it would have hit with supreme force, but the fact that no one got it proves how most people dont analyse and made our quoted comments even stronger. What a parody on humanity, I love it.
Damo, I think you misunderstood me, the only problem I had was that, in my opinion, you were having a joke, so I had a joke, next thing you know you're jumping down my throat calling me anti religion. When I tried to defend my piont - that this lady cannot call herself a christian when she is there breaking all 10 commandments - it turned into a brawl where I felt like you werent listening so I left.
In THIS debate, everything Ive said has been listened to by eveyone, and people just keep saying things to me, so I have to reply.
Can anyone even remember what they came here for?
Please dont delete the post Raven.
Comment by tlcorbin
Coffee Quip
Raven ...*wink wink wink*
Comment by Norm
Consumption Malfunction
Equal and Opposite
Arses and Elbows
Footy Power
I chooochoooose to say thanks.
Comment by tlcorbin
Coffee Quip
Comment by Bill Green
Talking Headlines
Here they are:
Books
Red Snapper Night (Cassell 1976)
The Sand West of Mountain Mouth (Cassell 1977)
Small Town Rising (Macmillan 1981)
Born Before The Wind (Rigby 1983)
Freud and the Nazis Go Surfing (Pan 1986)
Compulsively Murdering Mao (Hodder 1989)
Cleaning Up (Sceptre 1992)
Police Rescue (Four unofficial novelisations of TV series 1992).
Catching Bees’ Wings (Serialised in Murdoch magazines 1993)
Dying for Paradise (Hodder 1995)
Pink Water Dawn (Hodder 1997)
Sea of Lions (2005)
The Devil’s Trap (Booksurge/Amazon 2006)
Screenplays
‘Freud & the Nazis go surfing’ (1987-89) Workshopped at Robert Redford’s Sundance Institute. Sold to Island Pictures, LA, and Roadshow, Coote and Carroll
‘Minotaur’ (1991). Produced as action blockbuster ‘Terminator 2’ by James Cameron and Arnold Schwarzenneger.
‘Compulsory Murdering Mao’ (1998) Film treatment with John Clarke.
‘Drowning in Flame’ (2000) Screenplay with director John Ruane.
‘Catching Bees’ Wings’ (2001) Screenplay for Euan and Richard Keddie
‘Jackie O’s Rules of Drama’ (2004) Screenplay for producer/director Greg Carroll
Television documentary
‘The Last Good Summer’ (Nine Network News 2006 and Channel 31 - 8 times). Investigation into potential environmental catastrophe: the controversial deepening of Port Phillip Bay’s shipping channel.
It all proves there's life before and after the internet. Of course I should have promoted myself in some way. I'll do something to rectify that.
You may have woken me.
Comment by tlcorbin
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Raven
Comment by Damo
I missed you on the apology list.
So you have mine now.
I may have mistook your comment as taking sides in an old flame war.
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Raven
Comment by Norm
Consumption Malfunction
Equal and Opposite
Arses and Elbows
Footy Power
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Raven
Comment by Anonymous
it's the funniest thing; I just read something about SCUM yesterday. In "Edie: an American biography" (Jean Stein, Knopf) there are two long quotes from Andy Warhol and another guy, telling the story about Valerie Solanis (founder of SCUM) who had approached Warhol about her collaborating with Warhol and starring in a film of his. Warhol blew her off, so she came back and shot him and a couple other guys who were hanging out at the time.
Warhol: " I was always frightened of strange people. I always thought she was strange, but one of the Women's Lib people said she was so talented we thought, 'Well, we'll invite her over.' I guess it was a mistake, because she was just sort of nuts."
Henry Geldzahler (friend): "Valerie Solanis was an activist early on. She'd written a script that she thought Andy should produce. When that door was slammed in her face, she just flipped."
Mario Amaya (friend and fellow shooting victim): "The girl handed herself in {in Times Square}. She claimed that Andy had promised her a starring role in his next film...she had some..lawyer who tried to make it a fem-lib case, saying she had been treated badly by these awful men. Andy and I used to say that we were the first feminist casualties."
Funny, huh? Like I always say: no race, gender, country or religion has a monopoly on assholes. They're pretty much spread out all over.
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